From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 20:59:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EC6E9C39E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [78.47.246.247]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6BC737D5 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (root@eg.sd.rdtc.ru [62.231.161.221] (may be forged)) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBAKxc2J098832 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:59:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: franco@lastsummer.de Received: from [10.58.0.4] ([10.58.0.4]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBAKxY3V066199 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:59:34 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: http subversion URLs should be discontinued in favor of https URLs To: Franco Fichtner References: <97f76231-dace-10c4-cab2-08e5e0d792b5@rawbw.com> <5A2709F6.8030106@grosbein.net> <11532fe7-024d-ba14-0daf-b97282265ec6@rawbw.com> <8788fb0d-4ee9-968a-1e33-e3bd84ffb892@heuristicsystems.com.au> <20171205220849.GH9701@gmail.com> <20171205231845.5028d01d@gumby.homeunix.com> <20171210173222.GF5901@funkthat.com> <5c810101-9092-7665-d623-275c15d4612b@rawbw.com> <19bd6d57-4fa6-24d4-6262-37e1487d7ed6@rawbw.com> <5A2D8CDF.80903@grosbein.net> <5A2D9CEF.9020404@grosbein.net> <3C567C04-1B10-4F8F-B503-55AE5F5D53D7@lastsummer.de> Cc: Yuri , Igor Mozolevsky , freebsd security , RW From: Eugene Grosbein Message-ID: <5A2DA031.2020009@grosbein.net> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:59:29 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3C567C04-1B10-4F8F-B503-55AE5F5D53D7@lastsummer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, LOCAL_FROM, RDNS_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Report: * -2.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * 1.9 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS * 2.6 LOCAL_FROM From my domains X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on hz.grosbein.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:59:48 -0000 11.12.2017 3:52, Franco Fichtner wrote: >> On 10. Dec 2017, at 9:45 PM, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >> >> 11.12.2017 3:37, Yuri wrote: >> >>> On 12/10/17 11:37, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >>>> Hmm, you should not pass your traffic through the network operated >>>> by lots of malicious operators in first place. No matter encrypted or not. >>>> There are plenty of alternative ways. >>> >>> >>> Modern encryption protocols allow you to send traffic over insecure networks and still maintain your security and privacy, so why not? >> >> No, they don't. You get into MITM and then you have a choice: ignore and run your connection anyway >> or have no connectivity at all (using this channel). Both are bad, so don't use such a channel from the beginning. > > You deconstructed the point you tried to make: > > With HTTP MITM you don't have a choice. ;) Whith HTTP going through another route you could have no MITM because a) MITM is illegal for network provider and/or b) nobody on this route cares of this HTTP connection (opposed to TOR operator). Let's get it to real threat model instead of fictional one?