From owner-freebsd-current Mon May 7 12:13: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1CA37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f47JB7374695; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:11:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: riel@conectiva.com.br Cc: bright@wintelcom.net, dillon@earth.backplane.com, sheldonh@uunet.co.za, kris@obsecurity.org, dennis.glatting@software-munitions.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pgm to kill 4.3 via vm In-Reply-To: References: <20010507114225.V18676@fw.wintelcom.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010507121107E.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:11:07 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 26 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You'll see a detailed analysis soon, patches will come only > after we've agreed on a way to fix the problem. You've already had some folks respond to this, though I think the argument has been mischaracterized as a "BSD vs Linux" thing. It's not. What people are (IMHO) really trying to argue here is the pragmatic approach. You can't really "agree on a way to fix the problem" when your operating criteria are as vague as "the existing system doesn't work, we need to fix it." That's like saying that putting someone into orbit is a simple matter of determining what escape velocity is necessary from an object with earth's mass and deciding how many tons of payload you want to insert at what altitude. The devil is, as they say, all in the details and all people here want is the necessary level of detail. Software is also largely an operational art where it's easier to describe something through a body of code with accompanying comments than it is to try and describe it on a purely theoretical basis. You don't need to necessarily adopt that code, it simply provides you with a more solid framework in which to discuss "ways to fix the problem" and that is what I believe Alfred and others are basically asking for. It's a reasonable request. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message