From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 11 09:06:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4A116A41B for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C1913C442 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JUH008242M0PYS0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m0B95udd004959; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:05:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:05:56 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <3545.1200041730@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-id: <47873174.4040802@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 References: <3545.1200041730@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080104) Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:06:01 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <4786F66A.5010003@gmail.com>, "Aryeh M. Friedman" > writes: > >> 1. Should people be allowed to code FreeBSD as a hobby (with or >> without any financial reward)? Oh course > > This is a retorical question that has nothing to do with changing > the licensen. (And so was the rest for that matter.) It has everything to do with license issues because the current one makes it so you have to work for some organization that pays your bills to allow you to work on FreeBSD (either directly for them or gives you the freedom of free time to do it)... this option is not available to smaller contributing organizations and individuals because the demands of making a living are such that they do not have the time or money to do it for free... the only way to repair this is add a clause that allows for direct fees for use of FreeBSD (I do not want to take up a few pages explaining the why when it is in my blog so I will leave the reason as an exercise for you) > > Ny scheme that depends on us changing the license is a non-starter > for both practical (we'd need to get everybodys acceptance of that, > and piss of a large number of users who have cleared the BSD > license with their laywers) and ideological (we don't want to > create uncertainty about the well known and deeply established BSD > license). > > The revision I am suggesting does not change the nature of the license such that it would invalidate such legal existing legal advice. Other great ideas through out history have also died due to refusal to adapt to current situations.... i.e. a non-commercial BSD license makes sense only if there is not a large user base relying on stuff to continue working and that is currently the case. As to fighting a "loosing battle" that has never detered me in the past I have lost some and won some. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Developer Tools. http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly. "Free software != Free beer" Blog: http://www.flosoft-systems.com/flosoft_systems_community/blogs/aryeh/index.php -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhzF0jRvRjGmHRgQRAhsVAJ9phHdC1U/358GaWs79YnwykRNTgACfUTto 9eXyqk53aSRHgfJVc0b6wfQ= =Hjk7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----