From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 22 10:17:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02386523F8 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Gsrrs6F6wz3Jsb for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Gsrrr4P2pzDq9Q for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1629627420; bh=Wy2eDNv5JLuoTNSUsg9W5pkR9ufwC5M9yaDzENgi6TY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=CZ3h26KixSUpAYUwk4Aa1itnMlz7ROxeDJzY9/qr7E1qRpsLBauC1IgB9CqGm1Ec0 1g5GDXS7+SLZQlSPxf+krloLjdmOTgTNEBUkfNzrPDWW/PWN7Mxf578gGsWsFhwr05 p1MF8YtvMxOweww/3yZkiikk92HGnN7Wu0+NVRhs= X-Riseup-User-ID: 61558DCF7C1FD56D4694C7CF88E40CB619DB46D202CE307FDCE1C459F6FCF865 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Gsrrq6z54z1yS7 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 03:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 12:16:58 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DKIM Message-ID: <20210822121658.13a66645@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <763F5C0F-E364-4C57-8D09-A0679F547979@simonhoffmann.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Gsrrs6F6wz3Jsb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=CZ3h26Ki; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; SUBJ_ALL_CAPS(0.30)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:17:02 -0000 On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 08:28:36 +0000, Cyprian Ambe wrote: >If you state something like this, please also state how. The OP might >be a beginner and thus not know how to search the repos. Pointing them >just to some Google results (why Google btw) or giving them very brief >instructions might thus not be very helpful as they might not know how >to interpret that. Hi, it's pointless to discuss this. On some other mailing lists subscribers would just quote the obligatory http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before to a request as yours. At the risk of bikeshedding I'll play the Devil's advocate. Assuming somebody is a "beginner", being in favour of Google rather than another search engine makes much sense. It's probably still the search engine, able to provide best recommendations, at least to those, who don't have the skills to think about ideal search terms. Some alternative search engines suffer from weak points, when doing researches by non-English search terms. Some people are per se against Google for good reasons, but way too many people are per se against Google for no good reasons at all. Let alone excesses against Google, if people choose something even more bad as a replacement for Google. A while back on another mailing list "Dissenter" was recommended as an alternative to Firefox and especially to Google Chrome or any Google Chromium based browser. Actually "Dissenter" is from "gab", see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network) . Avoiding usage of Google not necessarily is the better choice. I reply by this off-topic and bikeshedding appearing email since I very often explicitly mention that FLOSS novices shouldn't replace Google by other search engines, as long as they are novices who don't have a clue what good FLOSS related search terms to use. Not that long ago a lot of people searching for a FLOSS sound server (jackd) for instance got hits related to LGBTQIA*, but not related to FLOSS. "Beginners" can stay with DuckDuckGo and other search engines for researches related to t-shirts or coffee machines. Regards, Ralf