From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 18 09:17:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14388 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14378 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntws (ntws.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA03656; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970418121536.00b52b60@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:15:38 -0400 To: Nate Williams From: dennis Subject: Re: Price of FreeBSD (was On Holy Wars...) Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:22 AM 4/18/97 -0600, Nate Williams wrote: >> Why is this "annoucement" such a big secret? Are you just not sure >> yet? You complain about no commercial vendors not being interested in >> FreeBSD, and then you give us this horsecrap about "wait 90 days for >> the big unveiling..." > >You've obviously never dealt with other commercial vendors before. >Right now as we speak my company is waiting with baited breath for two >companies (Symantec and IONA) to release their next products, which are >*critical* to our future success, since the # of bugs and missing >features in the current crop make it useless for long-term success. All >attempts to let us know *IF* our bugs are fixed, whether or not new >features that exist in other vendors products, and anything that will >help us to make decisions are not told. > >This is *common* with all organizations, at least with FreeBSD you get >*hints* as to what's coming down the pike by looking at commit messages, >with commercial companies you cross your fingers and hope for the best. Freebsd is *not* a commercial company and there is no benefit to secrecy. Why does a "free" OS have secrets? And this is not about fixing bugs, believe me I understand about bugs, its about having to reengineer freebsd based systems every couple of months..... I'm just getting tired of getting hit in the nuts for not supporting -current....the fact that the release is out of date a week after its out is a very bad thing and really needs to change... Dennis