Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 07:04:14 -0700 From: c.hutchinson0@yahoo.com To: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Cc: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20120501070414.450ff252@virus.local> In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1205010913560.6561@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <092518C9B5214244805F7D2022A4F663@multiplay.co.uk> <1168656383.74335.1335567528359.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> <CAOgwaMseWCRmsEE1QwyqsZTjU8p-=k1ftuJLktv3O9oZR_6TjA@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1204291930120.1760@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <CADLo83_1p%2BDeG3pTr4BuoNbxr_g0WdDVDvg%2BBYx6PxmKS9px2Q@mail.gmail.com> <5E0882E0-405F-46AC-9290-8A195FECD2F4@gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1204300715230.30254@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <74720B93-61ED-4CA4-88C1-173356742F3A@gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1205010703220.5909@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <B89F55FB-7E48-494D-9BA9-F10AE0438D00@gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1205010913560.6561@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
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On Tue, 1 May 2012 09:26:30 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > > > > Joe user, students, etc really don't care about the underlying > > system as long as the GUIs obscure this. > Indeed you are right. Actually they don't completely know what > happens. This is normal, but the poor word in your sentence is > "students". Unfortunately, from my observations, this is completely > true. > > >OSX is a prime example of this (the OSX CLI has sucked for a long > >time). > > Only sysadmin and CLI power users care how things like this are > >organized. I think this is the usability boat that's been missed for > >a while on *nix. > > True. And my point is - don't promote FreeBSD in that area. Mac OS X, > Windows, "Modern" linux distros will always be "better" than FreeBSD > when judged by joe user who "owns" computer. > > Yes i used parantheses in "owns" because he/she don't really own her > computer, just paid for it and is enslaved. > > FreeBSD can be great when used by "joe user" BUT when joe user does > not install it, configure it or know root password at all, but > QUALIFIED sysadmin configured everything for joe. > > "Joe" may use thin client to connect to timesharing server with > FreeBSD and this is my favourite example. > > (actually i use X terminal made from obsolete PCs line pentium > 133-500MHz PII, which are intentionally downclocked and fans removed, > disks removed - SILENCE, low power). > > Even with trendy GUI (but configured by root user, not joe user) it > works quick, fast and predictable with cost of servicing close to > zero. > > This is right target for FreeBSD "advertising" IMHO, but not > "personal computer" market. > > Again i used parantheses for "personal computer" as for many years > users don't completely know what is going on on "their" computers and > are owned by them. I think "The power to serve", pretty much sums it up nicely. :-) > > > > Do you now finally understood what i mean and why i am against your > kind of "promotion"? > > You won't promote Ferrari for people that now use everyday small city > car. Inexperienced driver can only kill him/herself given top line > Ferrari, and trying to make Ferrari to by "easy to use" will badly > reduce it's performance. > > > > >> Solaris 11 was just an example of overadvertised things that are > >> just useless. Linux is "trendy" and quality is second thing, but > >> it had to be everywhere including things that should not have OS > >> at all, like VoIP gateway. > > > > Sun isn't Oracle, so I don't expect them to put forth a decent > > general purpose OS offering. As far as Linux is concerned, in some > > ways it's good Linux has become a niche OS, and in some ways it's > > bad, but you can't take back the fact that it is what it is right > > now. > While I know this probably seems pointless, based on your observation(s). I can't help but wonder if initiating a "BSD awareness day", might not be a bad idea. I can see where, if targeted at students, this might be especially effective -- this IS where BSD all started, wasn't it? :-) just my $0.02 :-) > Sun IS Oracle from some time. Right you are!. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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