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From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@des.no>
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Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:00:35 +0200
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Cc: "Chauncey N. Menefee" <cmenefee@prism-grp.com>,
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Subject: Re: i386/115054: NTP errors out on startup but restart of NTP fixes
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Bruce Evans <brde@optusnet.com.au> writes:
> Several versions of FreeBSD have annoying behaviouor for network
> startup, involving the network not actually being up when ifconfig
> returns and subsequent different mishandling of this by various
> utilities.  [...]
> This problem seems to get worse with each release of FreeBSD and/or
> with newer NICs.  I never noticed fxp or even ed or rl NICs.  Now it
> is barely noticeable with fxp and very noticeable with sk, bge and em
> NICs.

I have never seen this with any of the cards I've used (xl, fxp, rl, re,
sis, bge, sk, msk and probably others, in no particular order).

Perhaps there is a hardware issue involved?  Does the problem occur if
you hardcode the link speed instead of relying on autonegotiation?

DES
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