From nobody Tue Mar 10 16:25:28 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4fVfPq189Sz6VtpH; Tue, 10 Mar 2026 16:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net [65.75.216.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4fVfPp50J5z3hBv; Tue, 10 Mar 2026 16:25:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 62AGPTLm060153; Tue, 10 Mar 2026 09:25:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 62AGPSRV060152; Tue, 10 Mar 2026 09:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202603101625.62AGPSRV060152@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Practical suggestions for resolving the Age Verification problem In-Reply-To: <202603101228.62ACSKxx074330@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> To: Jamie Landeg-Jones Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 09:25:28 -0700 (PDT) CC: michaelsprivate@gmail.com, bsd-lists@bsdforge.com, vince@vincentbentley.co.uk, vermaden@interia.pl, imp@bsdimp.com, freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10494, ipnet:65.75.216.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4fVfPp50J5z3hBv X-Spamd-Bar: ---- > Chris wrote: > > > way their regulated already. Adding another category and applying appropriate > > perms to match. It basically changes nothing in the way a system regulates > > user categories now. I was simply suggesting adding another (age based) > > category. > > Perms can be set accordingly. > > If you're going down that sort of route, why not just add a bunch of new > groups to /etc/group: > > not_verified_13:*:newuser1,newuser2 > not_verified_18:*:newuser3,newuser4 > not_verified_21:*:newuser5,newuser6 > > Of course, that would need to be manually altered when someone reaches an age milestone, > but that would be the same with an extra field. > > Still (and this isn't directed at you), I think the whole thing is stupid and doomed > to failure. > > Besides, this would be moot for someone running a FreeBSD desktop, or other system > they control, and for things like web-based services that use a FreeBSD backend, they'll > already have higher level authorisation controls baked into the system. > > So, it probably would only work for the small percentage of pre university aged > children who access remote unix systems to play nethack in the terminal! :-) > > FYI: unix already have a way to store birthdays, it is called calendar, please see /usr/share/calendar/calendar for many of ``our'' birthdays. Expand that and add the appropriate API's would be one way to go. Though I really think these pieces of legislation well ultimately fail in the courts as untenable solutions to a social problem. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org