From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Apr 13 19:18:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09149 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09137; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.4/8.6.9) id VAA00359; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:17:42 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199704140217.VAA00359@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Commercial vendors registry In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970413214851.00b3b9e0@etinc.com> from dennis at "Apr 13, 97 09:48:53 pm" To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:17:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@freebsd.org, terry@lambert.org, scrappy@hub.org, pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co, hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > *coherent* is one thing....having a focus is another (theres that word > again!). Since > there is no clear goal, the future is a fog, which makes Freebsd > undesirable in > the long run for major endeavors. > Actually, that isn't what I have been seeing. There is a focused goal, and that is to be an excellent U**X clone, and more generally effective OS. That includes various facets of performance and capability. If you want FreeBSD to be a router, and FreeBSD doesn't do exactly what you want, then you can help direct the effort by supporting it; I am positive that there are other companies using FreeBSD as a router -- and it is what they need, very long term. Waiting passively isn't going to help your cause. I think that when you say "FreeBSD is undesirable in the long run for major endeavors", then your assertion appears to be globally true (which I know to be very false.) You have as much control as anyone else, in that you can help make it better for your needs. If I committed a half baked idea that no-one else in -core (or other committers) wanted, then either I would be asked to remove it, or someone else would do it for me. So the major difference is that I have to worry more about veto's (even though I try to recruit reviewers), and non-committers have to worry about passing reviews. The end results are often similar. In the same way that I work on things for FreeBSD that further my interests (both commercial (FreeBSD and otherwise) and personal), you should also. Actually, I see FreeBSD as a long term player being more effective than even in the short term. It is usually the short term concerned users who want something specifically for their business NOW, without assisting with a long term commitment themselves. It is those who show a long term commitment who gain significantly in credibility with us. Threats of non-commitment loose lots. It would be similar to me publically threatening "I don't want to work on FreeBSD anymore unless..." My credibility associated with having a long term interest would be suspect. That becomes self defeating. BTW, we do have a defined core team, with individual responsibilities and areas of interest. Please be specific about your complaints and then they can be addressed. However, if there are no resources to work the issues, then new resources need to be brought online. If you and I disagree, then time will tell... John