From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 13:27:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3039E16A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from best.spro.net (smtpout1a.spro.net [204.228.238.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE36C43D55 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:27:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurtbuff@spro.net) Received: from best.spro.net ([198.60.253.182]) by best.spro.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id HQF4Y500.N0W; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:27:41 -0700 Received: from spro.net (norland.spro.net [198.60.253.65]) by best.spro.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:27:41 -0700 Received: from 66.14.88.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kurtbuff) by webmail.spro.net with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:28:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <1058.66.14.88.176.1072301312.squirrel@webmail.spro.net> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:28:32 -0700 (MST) From: "KURT BUFF" To: , X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SMTP-HELO: spro.net X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kurtbuff@spro.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: norland.spro.net [198.60.253.65] cc: markus.kovero@grafikansi.fi Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:27:46 -0000 Markus said: | Are 13yrs old people in highschool? :-p I was, 30+ years ago. Depends in large part at which point of the year you were born, and just how smart you are. Robert said" | I am no | sure totally what he means by OS purism? What does it mean to | be a purist and like BSD so much because of this belief? Also I don't know either. Don't worry about it. It's probably some sort of snobbery, which he'll probably lose once he encounters the real world. However, it's worth concentrating on one OS for a while, to get to know it well. | I was checking out BSD on the web at the OS world and I dont | get something. I dont get why you guys call your OS FREEBSD | when OPENBSD is free as well. I just dont see why there is | two different OS's here within BSD. What is the difference. There are more than 2 types of BSD. I'm also aware of at least two others, NetBSD, and Macintosh OS X, which isn't a "pure" BSD, but is based on FreeBSD. I don't know much at all about NetBSD, but I believe (I'm willing to be corrected on all of this) that FreeBSD came first, then NetBSD and OpenBSD. One of NetBSD's aims is to run on as many different types of CPUs a possible, so that what's created on one platform will work almost everywhere, if you're using NetBSD. OpenBSD is all about security, and has achieved an excellent reputation in that area. All of them cooperate, though, and share code amongst themselves. They are a community of OSes, and don't really compete with each other. | Will you guys write back to me so I dont have to do | something stupid and get involved with an OS I dont want to | and get lost in thte wrong thingz?............Robert, Hillsboro OR USA The only stupid mistake is the one you refuse to learn from. Find yourself a computer, and start working at installing FreeBSD, or NetBSD, or OpenBSD (I recommend FreeBSD, because it seems to be more widely supported, but that's just my opinion.) Learn how to use 'make', and one (or more) of the shells, such as BASH or ZSH, and either vi or emacs for editing. Learn some C or C++ programming, and also one or more of the popular scripting languages, such as PERL, RUBY or PYTHON. Ask lots of questions, in a respectful manner, on this listserv and elsewhere. Don't be afraid to make mistakes, and don't have too much ego about being corrected. If you're wrong, you're wrong - pick up the pieces, correct your mistake, and move on. If you can, thank the person who corrected you, and offer gentle instruction and corrections to others who ask. Ignore flames, and don't flame others. Also, don't be too proud of what you know. We are all ignorant, to one degree or another. The first step to knowledge and wisdom is being able to truthfully say the following 7 words: "I don't know, but I'll find out." Offer help wherever and whenever you can. Do it not because you're a goody-two-shoes, but because it's the way you'll learn the most. Feeling good about helping others is all fine, but teaching others is the best way to learn what you don't know. Kurt