From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 18 15:30:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01092 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:30:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from one.net.au (darkgrey.one.net.au [203.17.224.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00897 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:30:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dunya@one.net.au) Received: (qmail 22510 invoked from network); 18 Jan 1999 23:30:00 -0000 Received: from modem70-syd-isp-26.one.net.au (HELO fireball.2000.com.au) (203.101.15.199) by darkgrey.one.net.au with SMTP; 18 Jan 1999 23:30:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (dunya@localhost) by fireball.2000.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00418 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:01:59 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:01:59 +1100 (EST) From: "Oben O. Candemir" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD IRC channels and ??quality?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been using SysV Unices for 5-6 years and last year installed Linux on my home machine. On the many occasions I required help; I got it from Linux gurus on thr IRC channels on the irc.linpeople.org servers and received excellent help. Along the way I helped many other newbies with my general Unix knowledge. The Linux channels have an ethos that says no question is dumb or lame. No one is kicked or banned from a channel because of the pervasive 'calm' and responsiveness the 'elders' provide to newbies. In fact I don't think the chanop paradigm is in operation. Now to the point... I installed FreeBSD after reading many favourable reviews of it and the time came to join an IRC channel for quick help... EFNET's #freebsd channel to be precise. I had read the FAQ and it warned me that each of the channels had a distinct 'style'. I must say that while on the channel the amount of bullshit and tripe I witnessed was unbelievable. A cliquey group of unix sysadmins were calling newbies 'lamers', 'loozers', 'lemurs', 'wankers', etc. Kicking and banning for very soft reasons. I saw more profanity than what you would expect on a general channel. I was apalled. I'm not surprised the FreeBSD camp are playing 'second fiddle' to Linux in the interested and willing 'newbies'; and the computer press' consciousness. As a convert to FreeBSD, I urge others interested in promoting FreeBSD to clean up the act and present the OS on IRC channels in a friendlier fashion. PS: If you don't believe me either join the channel and ask a few questions or look at the #FreeBSD channel logs for EFNET located at http://www.emsphone.com/FreeBSD (yes think what you will, the channels are logged) and judge the quality for yourselves. Best Wishes O Candemir To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message