From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 23:15:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E2B1065693 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CC28FC16 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2258288ewy.43 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:15:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tkxNfipFY5qq4wKZPqWSbxHRQguuUFFXZL3uGlYIldg=; b=MN26mHDgf9NdOFBxK/QOozCOmKZ5TxZ+tdcgysbpO5cG6tJt3ityA+OpS9eE6Hdxm6 f9Ji/HqJT30fNbQeE7rZz9StjjGokwLWMdGR5Hn6+0gfjfnx2nC5dbAjnPgAuXe0zOXk COYKtwFpNKh1WCE22xJ81WSWoUYl84OWzXf/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=lynBtXAfUB0mjPsU3lCjh5GQAzkRFtR1nqPlfXaCccipKuu9zubcEdI4VcDQ3WG9tQ y+rih4ny6s9iPH4P9nX8HCntXEuSQUnZgHCMKTiKQMEqpZD5xJ5kNYOL58APuldkPFmr xU56+CSrbVUk2fC6yOO398VQZb6iaXB+iK9yA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.128.9 with SMTP id f9mr766940ebn.93.1256858108931; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:15:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:08 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Paul Schmehl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:10 -0000 2009/10/29 Paul Schmehl > Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so frustrated, but I run > into these sorts of problems myself from time to time. It's usually because > I didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in this case might > have warned you. > Yeah, thanks for that. I knew about that file, but don't often read it. There's even more to the saga - Xkblayout doesn't work. This whole HAL thing stinks horribly. IF X is built with HAL basically certain options specified in xorg.conf no longer work. HAL thinks it knows best. But it doesn't, cos it's broken. What really gets my goat about this is that things that used to work, and people understand how they worked and how they were configured, no longer work. And I'm 18MB of RAM worse off into the bargain. There's a thread about other people's experience here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?p=10924#post10924. One of the posts contains these words "I've been fighting this one for two days now, and still don't have a fully working system." That's seriously nasty for anyone. The whole Xorg thing, at least on FreeBSD, is just a minefield. I like to remove unnecessary packages, to save space for when I do backups. I don't have an Nvidia card on this box so: pkg_delete xf86-video-nv-2.1.13 pkg_delete: package 'xf86-video-nv-2.1.13' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: xorg-drivers-7.4_1 xorg-7.4_1 Great. So what is the point in having a separate package if I can't remove that damn thing? I know I can pkg_delete -f, but why make it hard? > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst MF