From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 22 10:46:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A84D16A4B3 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electricrain.com (electricrain.com [64.71.143.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789FA43F75 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fuzzy@electricrain.com) Received: (qmail 28866 invoked by uid 540); 22 Oct 2003 17:45:56 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:45:56 -0700 From: Chris Doherty To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031022174555.GE18899@zot.electricrain.com> References: <16278.47714.351403.755887@emerger.yogotech.com> <50255.64.170.199.99.1066844186.squirrel@mail.shiftmanager.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50255.64.170.199.99.1066844186.squirrel@mail.shiftmanager.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: XEmacs X-Koan: mu. Organization: The Inside Foundation Subject: Re: freebsddom and java's flaming hoops X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris-freebsd@randomcamel.net List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:46:00 -0000 On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:36:26AM -0700, Kurt Werle said: > > [ Javascript doesn't work with your proxy ] > > > > Ok, what do you propose? How do verify that the FreeBSD Foundation and > > Java teams fulfill all the legal obligations to Sun? > > Ya know what I've found to be nice? > > Apple ships a JVM with their product. No clicks needed. That's really nice. > > I wonder how they do it. with a lot of NDAs and possibly money changing hands? and not having the JVM source available to users? all of which contradict the spirit, purpose, and capabilities of FreeBSD? if you want an OS producer that can and does act like a closed-source for-profit corporation, there are at least two for you to choose from. enjoy. meanwhile, the FreeBSD guys have gone god-knows-how-many rounds with Sun to make all this happen, outside of the coding effort itself. not only that, but they've produced tangible, useful results. I don't think we're in any position to provide unconstructive criticism regarding features of the situation that no one can really control. chris ------------------------------- Chris Doherty chris [at] randomcamel.net "I think," said Christopher Robin, "that we ought to eat all our provisions now, so we won't have so much to carry." -- A. A. Milne -------------------------------