From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 03:35:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3B410656F3 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from angel.comcen.com.au (angel.comcen.com.au [203.23.236.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46E28FC12 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rock_on_the_web@comcen.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.171] (unknown [202.172.126.254]) by angel.comcen.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EF95C2F44B for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:36:53 +1100 (EST) From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090128035716.c0f2f0f1.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090123191547.fd43d651.ejcerejo@optonline.net> <20090125022647.6b379fed.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090125144428.B44198@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20090126150019.387d538b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090127232455.X18824@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20090128035716.c0f2f0f1.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:35:05 +1000 Message-Id: <1233113705.1202.79.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: KDE: What a monster! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:35:39 -0000 On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 03:57 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:36:22 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > "programming environment"? what do you mean? > > Some "heler application" for integration and managing source > files, such as KDevelop, Eclipse or the like. Whether or not it helps others, I'm using netbeans because its very helpful (code completion, auto help dialogs- can be annoying but manageable) in that it reminds me of what else is in a large system of code, and it handles many different languages even when they're all in the same app (php, javascript, java, ruby, etc). I'm working on several different projects to keep things going so I need the flexibility. I know I could probably use emacs and customise, but I can't quite see all that without a lot of hassle. Plus I need to maintain X systems for my users anyway- so why bother fussing? They need a nice, flashy system to work with so the more I use it the better I can tune it to their needs. I deal a lot with users and X, hence my viewpoint on the subject. I also contend with "stuck in a rut"s who refuse to move from a buggy, insecure systems like M$ provides. The most ridiculous situations are when supposedly staunch FOSS administrators are trapped into doing bulk administrative tasks on windows only admin system because (1) the users want something only M$ provides, (2) they can't figure a way to run a suitable alternative on FOSS. Ergo, they're stuck doing a task hundreds of times over because it can't be scripted due to lack of cli.