From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 18:31:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2B016A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:31:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242B243D1D for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:31:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id F2811530C; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:31:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 3E5945308; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:30:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D31D333C1B; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:30:34 +0100 (CET) To: stheg olloydson References: <20050213021055.69766.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:30:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050213021055.69766.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> (stheg olloydson's message of "Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:10:55 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <86wttcjos5.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: kris@obsecurity.org Subject: Re: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:31:19 -0000 stheg olloydson writes: > Core being Core will do what they think is best, and they have every > right to. That's not my point. My point is the discussion took place in > secret. The discussion took place on a mailing list with over 300 subscribers. Hardly a conspiracy. > What I am suggesting is that when certain discussions take > place that they be publicly readable. The US and UK (other countries > too, I'm sure) have television cameras in their legislative chambers so > those who are interested can hear pro and con arguments on some issues > by those making the decisions. The reason for this is that the legislators are accountable to the public that elected them. FreeBSD committers are not elected by - and therefore not accountable to - the user base. Here's how FreeBSD works: we, the committers, write and maintain an operating system. In our magnanimity, we allow you, the users, to use and modify it to your heart's content, and we even try to help you when you get stuck. Once in a while, we get to like one of you so much we make him or her one of us. The only decision left to you, the users, is whether or not to use our OS. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no