From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 12 00:47:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27656 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (root@jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27611 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:46:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul7.u.washington.edu (root@saul7.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.2]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id AAA50542; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:46:49 -0700 Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul7.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id AAA03963; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:36:29 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: phil grainger cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: copyright In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, phil grainger wrote: FreeBSD will not become a charity. I am pretty sure that I speak for all when I say this. I know that Mr. Hubbard has said this before. Invoking the term "dogma" leads to the irrelevance of ones position. When one says, "That is purely dogmatic" then the discussion approaches irrelevance. Dogmatism only leads to irrelevance when you subscibe to opposing dogma. Dogmatism can otherwise be considered "the short and sweet" parts of a long drawn out evolution of a concept that a person who is a "suscriber" to a particular dogma can present to someone whose position is somewhere in the middle. There are certain dogmatic statements we here in this community may make to one another in the interest of brevity. "Free software is the best software," is an example of a dogmatic statement that most of "us" can agree with. For me it is an a priori premise. M$ would might claim we were being dogmatic. Poof... there goes any meaningful conversation between M$ and FreeBSD. >maybe advocacy is becoming an irrelevent part of the freebsd project. If this is the point of that exercise in non-readability then allow me to reply. FreeBSD-advocacy is in it's infancy. Advocacy hasn't really even formed yet. Currently, it is merely a mailing list. Now let me make my point in rebuttal. Don't lay your negative trip on me. I _believe_ in FreeBSD as a product and as a community. Advocacy will become relevant through the efforts of it's members. This will occur when people provide solutions to criticisms instead of just the criticisms. We have seen one activity spawn itself. Users are reporting articles around the net. No one told the users to do this. They are just doing it. This will become useful in time. Watch our birth and growth a little while before your proclaim our death. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ | 206-633-5994 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message