From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 19 10:11:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4F137B401; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BA243F75; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6JHBcju034685; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6JHBcp6034684; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:11:38 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20030719171138.GA86442@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030717164102.GA47198@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Things to remove from /rescue X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:11:39 -0000 On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 02:51:47PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 17-Jul-2003 David O'Brien wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 09:17:00AM -0700, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > >> whatever it is, certainly the purpose is not to show how good > >> a sysadmin is in using a knife's blade as a screwdriver and a fork > >> and a spoon. Heck, even swiss army knives have these extra > >> tools. > >> > >> I think that if something in /rescue can make the task faster > >> and less error prone, removing it to save 10-50k of disk space > >> would be a big mistake. > > > > You must not have seen my other email that listed other things than just > > disk space. If I did need to get to the Internet to get bits, what does > > ipfw do for me that "sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0" doesn't? > > This doesn't handle ipfilter. You've conveniently ignored that point it > seems. No, I have little ipfilter experience so I didn't speak to it. My language explicitly mentioned ipfw so I assumed readers would understand I was only addressing ipfw in that email.