From owner-freebsd-current Sat Dec 14 21:18:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2281B37B401 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from wabakimi.chat.carleton.ca (wabakimi.chat.carleton.ca [134.117.1.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5678D43ED8 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:18:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from creyenga@connectmail.carleton.ca) Received: from fireball (resnet-89-057.cavern.carleton.ca [134.117.89.57]) by wabakimi.chat.carleton.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gBF5IKa06653 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:18:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c2a3f9$627c1b40$0200000a@sewer.org> From: "Craig Reyenga" To: References: <635948263.20021214220720@dds.nl> <24244.1039900460@critter.freebsd.dk> <20021214.173219.116676673.imp@bsdimp.com> <3DFC0B29.FD6F7F18@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: 80386 out of GENERIC Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:18:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for butting in, but my $.02 is that 386's are old enough that FreeBSD, or any other OS for that matter, shouldn't wait up for them. They've gotten to the point where they are basically useless except for running older software, which was likely written for them anyways. If I had a 386 that I wanted FreeBSD on, I'd crack open the old FreeBSD 3.5 install CD's, assuming it even had a cdrom drive. I understand why people care about supporting older hardware. Reasons such as cost, and the ability to allow code bloat to _really_ manifest itself come to mind. However, a 386 is just too old for words and should be running older software with less features. -Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Lambert" To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 23:55 Subject: Re: 80386 out of GENERIC > "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > > One problem with most 386 boxes is that they have very little memory. > > sysinstall is a big, bloated pig dog these days that takes more RAM > > than most 386 boxes have. This is true also for many 486 boxes too. > > So even if 386 stuff were in the default kernel, you'd likely have > > other issues in making sysinstall work and have to do custom > > hacking... > > Add to this that Bosko's workaround for the CPU bug with PSE/PGE > includes loading the kernel at 4M rather than 1M. > > -- Terry > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message