From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 11 15:25:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2249216A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.galati.rdsnet.ro (main.galati.rdsnet.ro [212.93.152.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D701C43D1F for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from emil.cazamir@galati.rdsnet.ro) Received: (qmail 22478 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2004 23:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO unlicensed) (81.196.54.138) by gate-fe1-0.galati.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 11 Mar 2004 23:25:32 -0000 From: "Emil Cazamir" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'Dag-Erling_=22Sm=F8rgrav=22'?= , Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:26:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2055 Thread-Index: AcQHqLjTkMBPdhl+R5OU+l453ucbjgAEKUog X-Virus-Scanned: by RDS Galati Virus Scanner Message-Id: <20040311232539.D701C43D1F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: Silicon Image Sil 3112 SATARaid Controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:25:41 -0000 Hi I'm FreeBSD user since RELENG_4_3 and I founnd useful many of it's = features. I accepted the fact that I used a "crappy" motherboard (MSI K7T Turbo2) = on which USB suport was less than I expectd (my USB keyboard wasn't usable = on RELENG_5, I dindn't tested with RELENG_4, at that time I used a PS/2 keyboard) and the fact that an old crappy Compaq Presario can't use the PCMCIA/CardBus controller with FreeBSD while same hardware is workinng = fine with other more or less commercial OS'es. I see THE FACT that other developer teams CAN DO some things (like implementing pcmcia/cardbus properly and usable, on NetBSD 1.6.1 the cardbus controller works fine = with Compaq laptop), I see that other developer teams can implement properly support for well-known hardware like SoundBlaster Live! Sound cards. I believe that a poor implementation of a specific hardware chip is not a = good reason to change motherboards, network cards, soundcards or even = laptops. For me is a better option to change the OS as long it is not capable to = keep up with actual hardware. Of course, that means that I must forget about "portupgrade", about the clean configuration and other benefits which I = may have if I would use FreeBSD, but there are many users of "crappy" = hardware which don't want to up/down-grade their systems JUST BECAUSE it is impossible or too difficult for most of FreeBSD developers to [find documentation from chip manufacturers | implement proper support for = some piece of hardware]. I'm using now some actual/stable/known hardware with other OS-es because at this time FreeBSD can't support it... I think = there are many others in the same situation. Here is my computer configuration: - Motherboard: Abit NF7-S ver 2.0 (memory controller and APU: = unsupported by FreeBSD, RAID controller Sil3112, "the crappy" - see the original = message) - Graphics card: Ati Radeon 9500 (R300) (DRI not available on FreeBSD = after more than one year since chip released, is this too crappy?) - Extra SoundCard : SoundBlaster Live! - (advanced features not = supported on FreeBSD after more than 4 years since released, perhaps SB Live! it's = more crappy than 95% of it's users believe). Conclusion: I'm one of many "crappy hardware" users which are happy to = move on to other OS'es if this situation persists. Please excuse my poor english, it's not my native language. Best regards, Emil Cazamir -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Dag-Erling "Sm=F8rgrav" Sent: 11 martie 2004 22:37 To: Burhan Nazir Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Silicon Image Sil 3112 SATARaid Controller Burhan Nazir writes: > This controller may be crappy, however it is prevalent amongst many > nforce2 chipsets. In particular the asus A7N8X, which is ubiquitous. You may find the following link to be of interest: http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=3D10516 > In addition, the controller does work and has so far caused no > problems under windows, so I am fairly pleased with it. "works with Windows" has got to be the computer hardware equivalent of "big in Japan"... > So, I would > hope that there is some talented deveoper out there that does not take > your narrow minded view I'm afraid you're the one being narrow-minded here. Talent alone is not sufficient to write a good driver. Experience with the FreeBSD kernel in general and the ata drivers in particular is a prerequisite, as is access to sample hardware and chipset documentation. You'll have a hard time finding someone with more experience in this area than S=F8ren, and I wish you luck in obtaining documentation from Silicon Image. > and take mercy on all those people that would > love to use freebsd with raid0 on their desktop machines. There are plenty of other controllers you can use for RAID-0. Most Promise controllers, for instance, work flawlessly with FreeBSD, for the simple reason that Promise actually cares enough to provide S=F8ren with the hardware and documentation he needs to write good drivers. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"