Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:39:53 -0800 From: Enji Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Philip Paeps <philip@freebsd.org>, Robert Clausecker <fuz@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time to remove sccs tags Message-ID: <177E8235-05A2-4C16-A433-EBA02D3AC163@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfq%2BPqyppQkKo1hOXaaiDxgq6cFV7ENEgPF9xBqW-C5LCQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CANCZdfo5Pj=AWmd5ftZ6OmMXBrkFAbZnYZt8EC8EqRqoi9csHw@mail.gmail.com> <22458D4C-35ED-4040-AAA1-A43006C0B32F@freebsd.org> <ZV2P164Qhq8r7gK3@fuz.su> <1CA7956B-8204-4328-A977-C874A3FAE0A7@freebsd.org> <CANCZdfq%2BPqyppQkKo1hOXaaiDxgq6cFV7ENEgPF9xBqW-C5LCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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--Apple-Mail=_D7848FA4-022E-4C55-81FA-69DC1784D702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2751F455-FEDD-499C-BD76-331A2656D5A4" --Apple-Mail=_2751F455-FEDD-499C-BD76-331A2656D5A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 21, 2023, at 10:03 PM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM Philip Paeps = <philip@freebsd.org <mailto:philip@freebsd.org>> wrote: > On 2023-11-22 13:21:27 (+0800), Robert Clausecker wrote: > > Am Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 01:15:14PM +0800 schrieb Philip Paeps: > >> On 2023-11-22 00:12:48 (+0800), Warner Losh wrote: > >>> It's been 30 odd years since the last csrg release. They are no > >>> more. > >>> > >>> At this point I think we can safely remove the few sccs tags that > >>> remain > >>> in > >>> the tree. The data will be there in git if we ever need it. > >>> > >>> Comments? > >> > >> Long overdue. > >> > >> Since we're removing all these tags, should we also remove what(1) > >> and > >> possibly ident(1) from the tree? > >> > >> Removing what(1) should be non-controversial at this stage. I can > >> imagine > >> some people may still be using ident(1) on extant Subversion = systems. > > > > what(1) is part of POSIX, though I guess you can just install > > devel/sccs > > if you need it. >=20 > I think the only reason we still have what(1) is because it was once > useful to (help) identify the provenance of a file. It wasn't very = good > at it in the past, and it certainly isn't very good at it now. >=20 > what is not going anywhere: >=20 > % what /boot/kernel/kernel > /boot/kernel/kernel: > FreeBSD 14.0-ALPHA3 amd64 1400097 #27 stable/14-n265023-7be29291845a: = Sun Aug 27 12:46:22 MDT 2023 > % Brilliant =E2=80=94 what(1) definitely helped bring sanity to a = slightly complicated Unix golf one-liner at $work. Personally that=E2=80=99= s the only item I care about, but RCS/SCCS expanded keywords/tags seem = pretty much dead at this point (for better or worse). Cheers, -Enji --Apple-Mail=_2751F455-FEDD-499C-BD76-331A2656D5A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On = Nov 21, 2023, at 10:03 PM, Warner Losh <<a = href=3D"mailto:imp@bsdimp.com" class=3D"">imp@bsdimp.com</a>> = wrote:</div><div class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM Philip = Paeps <<a href=3D"mailto:philip@freebsd.org" = class=3D"">philip@freebsd.org</a>> wrote:<br = class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px = 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; = border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">On 2023-11-22 = 13:21:27 (+0800), Robert Clausecker wrote:<br class=3D"">> Am Wed, = Nov 22, 2023 at 01:15:14PM +0800 schrieb Philip Paeps:<br = class=3D"">>> On 2023-11-22 00:12:48 (+0800), Warner Losh = wrote:<br class=3D"">>>> It's been 30 odd years since the last = csrg release. They are no<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">>>> = more.<br class=3D"">>>><br class=3D"">>>> At this = point I think we can safely remove the few sccs tags that<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">>>> = remain<br class=3D"">>>> in<br class=3D"">>>> the = tree. The data will be there in git if we ever need it.<br = class=3D"">>>><br class=3D"">>>> Comments?<br = class=3D"">>><br class=3D"">>> Long overdue.<br = class=3D"">>><br class=3D"">>> Since we're removing all = these tags, should we also remove what(1)<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">>> = and<br class=3D"">>> possibly ident(1) from the tree?<br = class=3D"">>><br class=3D"">>> Removing what(1) should be = non-controversial at this stage. I can<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">>> = imagine<br class=3D"">>> some people may still be using ident(1) = on extant Subversion systems.<br class=3D"">><br class=3D"">> = what(1) is part of POSIX, though I guess you can just install<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">> = devel/sccs<br class=3D"">> if you need it.<br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">I think the only reason we still have what(1) is because it = was once<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br = class=3D"">useful to (help) identify the provenance of a file. It = wasn't very good<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br = class=3D"">at it in the past, and it certainly isn't very good at it = now.<br class=3D""></blockquote><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">what is not going anywhere:</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">% what /boot/kernel/kernel<br = class=3D"">/boot/kernel/kernel:<br class=3D"">FreeBSD 14.0-ALPHA3 amd64 = 1400097 #27 stable/14-n265023-7be29291845a: Sun Aug 27 12:46:22 MDT = 2023<br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">%</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div><span= class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>Brilliant = =E2=80=94 what(1) definitely helped bring sanity to a slightly = complicated Unix golf one-liner at $work. Personally that=E2=80=99s the = only item I care about, but RCS/SCCS expanded keywords/tags seem pretty = much dead at this point (for better or worse).</div>Cheers,<div = class=3D"">-Enji</div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_2751F455-FEDD-499C-BD76-331A2656D5A4-- --Apple-Mail=_D7848FA4-022E-4C55-81FA-69DC1784D702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEtvtxN6kOllEF3nmX5JFNMZeDGN4FAmVf1LkACgkQ5JFNMZeD GN74aw/8CyEmHF9wUH4XbtETUpwUHDMufwE6qamaK25ZYtHOwVYw98TMQ8RaWUvS lMQg5elshnh7RnMciNSFxYQJKXHbHADdO3uXH4C83fFeSmQrFZj+VOXW09Aj+pua YHNnvMEWQ9SRsCmG6NroL/N7qeGa5s8lHCTn5tNVq0X31eLrEBwIrZPGvnRVwgPL 2OT8IGNrGdhY6K4f6nVDxBiTEEav7ODF48qV0OIG3eHFwtDr25ppCnQTCNAEnWK1 AMw7v+07G8yMrAvjSGkNazCrfiJ3Ed5MIeeHlM1ogRquwoun4isW04qEi0yOzCaK nii08DHfRCzsiJD/5clfz63fFKqbvjl234HPRhYzx8/tCORFrzf9QlQ9kqcLfwir 74e24P5XjyCAuVM/P0g5OOCrvcXAVnLRXZ9hKylis4dfDfgEr9+lSLvsRggL/mdv G7TbCLdRtjfFiD5PGhC0H7iowmt2xaZln/O3NfOT2S59h9BHh8BXNQTIu5fz1r1Z BQocEtYY+6mvnHm9g/YLwQPEgSDoqY+IctViVSxMYxBF71OMJZgBMWwGaGH/Zlha Jla0Korj0MNJWjMZrt+qjlb9uaiSrE3KJPxTg2kZdKLWf0/adPg6J/pm+SQsjSmZ DopIvHs3W12o7m+jcJF1BDGziZeP3HY/Gfi724fNiAszN6OJSpU= =AEYH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_D7848FA4-022E-4C55-81FA-69DC1784D702--
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