From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 12 0:21:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3a105.neo.rr.com [24.93.180.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6472237B42C for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8C7CJs05630; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:12:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:12:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: Kent Stewart Cc: cjclark@alum.mit.edu, The Hermit Hacker , Francisco Reyes , Gregory Sutter , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: 4.1-STABLE fails to 'buildkernel'? In-Reply-To: <39BDD2E3.AF9370AA@urx.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > What SUCKS is when you manage to get through a make-world without an > > error, but the running system is broken. /That/ is something to whine > > about. (And you just want to slug that first one that says, "Just use > > the backups you made before the make-world." I do backup first, but > > restoring is still a non-trivial pain in the *ss. And if you didn't > > backup, especially a production system, you asked for it, bub.) > > This is all part of the reason why I do a buildworld, > build[install]kernel, and finally do my installworld. When something > like this happens, my kernel.old and my user land are still in sync. > I kept my mouth shut at the time, since I knew it would be fixed in a couple of days and the machine I was upgrading wasn't anything really important, but the problem a couple weeks ago where telnetting into a system or starting X on it caused it to blow up didn't exactly strike me as "stable". kernel.old didn't work since the userland had changed enough to make ps, top, etc. to stop working -- un-cvsup it and rebuild... This problem shows up more often when you update sources weekly or so. Daily doesn't seem to be a big problem - kernel.old is usually good; going from 4.0-RELEASE to 4.1-STABLE can cause headaches. Just goes to show you that completely trusting [build|install][world|kernel] and friends isn't completely goof-proof. Creating a program that compiles flawlessly but still doesn't work doesn't require much cranial activity. (BTW: Thanks, guys, for fixing that problem! Got my shiny new Toshiba 4360ZDVD laptop running -STABLE now - X, sound, pcmcia, everything! Although the S3 Savage-IX patch for XFree-3.3.6 has some problems (with work-arounds), it's kicking along nicely!) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Understated/funny man-page sentence of the current time period: From route(4) on FreeBSD-3.4, DESCRIPTION section: "FreeBSD provides some packet routing facilities." ...duh....... Mike Nowlin, N8NVW mike@argos.org http://www.viewsnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message