From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 3 14:48: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F6937B401 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.gnf.org (ns1.gnf.org [63.196.132.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DE943F85 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:48:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org (exch01.lj.gnf.org [172.25.10.19]) by ns1.gnf.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h13Mm2Mf058530 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:48:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from roark.gnf.org ([172.25.24.15]) by EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:48:03 -0800 Received: from roark.gnf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h13Mm3Gj090865; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:48:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: (from gtetlow@localhost) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h13Mm3jW090864; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:48:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:48:02 -0800 From: Gordon Tetlow To: Terry Lambert Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , David Yeske , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: End-Of-Life announcement for M-Systems DiskOnChip driver("fla"). Message-ID: <20030203224802.GM98559@roark.gnf.org> References: <20030202222042.3444.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> <3E3EAF82.E0F19A11@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6Mt39TZj+HFMr11E" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E3EAF82.E0F19A11@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2003 22:48:04.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FB1AFC0:01C2CBD6] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --6Mt39TZj+HFMr11E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:05:54AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > David Yeske writes: > > > I still use this. Users will not suddenly quit using hardware that > > > works, they will start using a different OS that works with it, or > > > they will be stuck trying to continue to support an old version of > > > FreeBSD because it works with it. > >=20 > > Read the announcement again. FreeBSD 5.x will still have DoC support, > > which means you have at least two years to grow tired of it before we > > stop putting out 5.x releases. By that time you will hopefully have > > realised it is a dead-end technology and switched to something that > > works. >=20 >=20 > Why announce an intent to kill something that works? >=20 > Do we just not "like" DoC, as a matter of public policy? I think phk has a good explaination: :The driver in the tree works with the M-systems devices I have to =20 :test with, but M-Systems have neither sent me the necessary software :updates nor hardware samples of the latest generation of the DoC :and I have received no emails from people who were stuck because :of this. : :Combine this with the fact that the DoC is a CPU-poll technology =20 :where you busy-wait for the flash devices to do their thing, rather :than get an interrupt when they are done, I think we can safely say :that the DoC is well past its prime time. -gordon --6Mt39TZj+HFMr11E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+PvGiRu2t9DV9ZfsRArraAJwPADPY9BH4NBY+yZGKUxm7gKx3GQCeOTvy bp/bezTQw97iuV7xoRz6x4Q= =fqKr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6Mt39TZj+HFMr11E-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message