From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 24 21:14:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA11500 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:14:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from nomis.Simon-Shapiro.ORG (nomis.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11433 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:14:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@nomis.Simon-Shapiro.ORG) Received: (qmail 12304 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Nov 1997 05:13:32 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-beta-111797 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:13:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: Me, Just me... From: Simon Shapiro To: Tom Subject: Re: Partitioning suggestions? Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, craig@ProGroup.COM, Don.Lewis@tsc.tdk.com, Terry Lambert Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 20-Nov-97 Tom wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > >> > I can't accept that idea of a "graceful" failure. I don't know >> > if there >> > are any "catastrophic" (ie. eaten e-mail, destroyed password >> > files, etc) failures in FreeBSD, due to full filesystems. But the >> > so-called graceful failures are the real essence of this thread. >> > How do >> > you avoid them in the first place? >> >> By not engaging in sysadm pilot error that results in filled drives. > > In what universe is this? Point me to a mail server that you use, > and > I will fill one or more filesystems for you. Then when done, I will > blame > it on your pilot error. > >> > > That doesn't guarantee it. What if your FS fills up with PID >> > > files? >> > >> > What would be creating pid files in /var/log? >> >> In /var. > > The original poster, said to make /var/log a separate filesystem. > This goes along with my point, because it would eliminate the > problem. Moreover. In ALL our production servers we have: /var /var/tmp /var/spool /var/account /var/log /var/qmail And more. We have to be careful. Getting to some of our systems resembles parts of Jurrasic Park. We HATE crashed systems. Rebooting is rarely an option... Simon > > Tom > If Microsoft Built Cars: There would be an "Engine Pro" with bigger turbos, but it would be slower on most existing roads. Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG Voice: 503.799.2313