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Tue, 26 Aug 2025 05:10:15 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 05:09:46 +0300 From: Sulev-Madis Silber To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CBOR (Was: My experiences with Rust) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20250825213703.0570107f@nuclight.lan> References: <202508221712.57MHCPDl008201@critter.freebsd.dk> <20250822214848.25569826@nuclight.lan> <202508221937.57MJbBtK008806@critter.freebsd.dk> <20250823002942.305119b2@nuclight.lan> <202508222133.57MLXtAA009189@critter.freebsd.dk> <20250823073225.ecf498cc3e7a6dcb68ccc3c8@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <1614139543.20250823141311@yahoo.com> <277027377.20250825132929@yahoo.com> <20250825213703.0570107f@nuclight.lan> Message-ID: List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; 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