From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sun Nov 26 08:23:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F2CE4F3C9; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x236.google.com (mail-wm0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBD903590; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:23:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x236.google.com with SMTP id r68so29356628wmr.1; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:23:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Nc3MI33kqhQk4ktQRv8xXWytmTz7RrZu92DOG7XlXcs=; b=S0mseIMyeLZFggIxySMbQdhtBYFUhJZbeSS9NdnompDbmaCJkmi4AmMzbZZJlrnF6s 6UzDGYH3q2u+/0ylENVjKbu90LETW3cnXcHrD8uftIN9cjp/fAJ5kCd64tu+sSaSmbkY 35PXix/hLsPcgdrAb4Mj7KLscOeT8acrEk/VkL5liP/QdN3mFd8fmjQD0NvTmMoVWILw 34GiXwabFq8Fsh7kmTe3LKOM6CRv0thAZoVqsQCydV5X1qpgvjFVSm9CWgcTE/+21sq5 5NPUtGmJRThocTAxHb2R/VByA5E45ULFBIRmKVgsXgeckx8HOH2LnBRqLWtY5JwMxl2Q WQlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Nc3MI33kqhQk4ktQRv8xXWytmTz7RrZu92DOG7XlXcs=; b=EfEf0Me1WPmN8QTfzJqPBfvwC30Vy0xgnjdCgpCwuUrZeW+7dMBkcKtPgyova2nrgS ccnPgmTVeRnhj2Oxqtyfb84A2qeiGVNLuETDwPA5edE898Bhku1EHwJVTs0nm9YgUhv4 DxwqqUVUW0Wso4zPKL1VeDFgWXOiL3hVlFS5IKCs9fumW20jtSJY0q/rj6NkEMW6eqZQ 8uJN6y8nsRkLIS2aBXNIPqM1z5Tvu+IEodoNXKKjqN5ktKmD9iM9eYB9m6irqyeTYh+u R6P9o5D+pGG78CwIXUCIH/e2m84QR44/Z0wUjrMvFt3YW4YLLVUOfj8WXNRDtL16a9fs lrFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4jRo2z3CsQxMQLf0hFafQZ+jfi9si1nOwUsQrIKBx2k1rwR8Fi p7FrgSvKvo797StI4YsqdiAjfcO1iKyiHPvjpb4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYasFeZL+QZtTbzWcdkSkjCA24K08yAmCI+GZ6StplKrN5XT04WvbQemW96/o+kMH/dW7wINJtzuTzMy6F4N64= X-Received: by 10.28.131.2 with SMTP id f2mr12848807wmd.137.1511684596575; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:23:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.143.97 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:22:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201711251918.vAPJI2IB072754@slippy.cwsent.com> References: <201711251918.vAPJI2IB072754@slippy.cwsent.com> From: "Jack L." Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 00:22:35 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) To: Cy Schubert Cc: Adrian Chadd , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "Julian H. Stacey" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:23:19 -0000 On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message mail.gmail.c > om> > , Adrian Chadd writes: > > hi, > > > > Pardon me, but it's 2017 and the 4.3BSD system index isn't an immutable > bible > > . > > > > As a general push to packaging things in general, turning fortune into > > a package seems like some low hanging fruit. > > > > > > > > -adrian > > I see no reason why fortune(6) cannot be a port. Much of /usr/games (IIRC > that's where it was) has been gutted anyway and not only that but other > more functional parts of 4.4BSD have been culled and are simply gone. > > I think the way forward is: > > 1. Make fortune a port. > > 2. Whatever was in games and is in ports could be installed through a > bsd-games meta-port. > > People should realize that ports are just as valid as base. Not everything > should be in base. This will become truer once base is fully distributed as > packages. A monolithic base is so 1960s. Even the IBM mainframe I worked on > in the 1970s used packages (IBM called them FMIDs). Let's get on with the > 1970s and move it to ports/packages. > > > Yes! I've always been annoyed (in the past) with doing an rm -rf /usr/games in my new server installs.