From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Tue Dec 4 05:03:51 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A5F1324058 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 05:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x831.google.com (mail-qt1-x831.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::831]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7F29844C2 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 05:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x831.google.com with SMTP id i7so16652968qtj.10 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 21:03:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Sn3oV5MkgBoiV+yaHH3lpa6E9PNjdhESA7/JOHReIsU=; b=wMyCy6RC+8250CeXJigYziQGYsyQ+ljcMO9J/LXyC7cJ1KRKFa05dmad23pclFc8Or 8oxGiAFZoMqGzNQ8XB89BGaF+adOdBkjQXPtoYBVpeoreEVdUfVrOJ4iCVhn30vWcI6L gr68bsCdjefg6XpHoylq5A8GjyZTomTNKeY4ytuv2IHdDWksFmLlg6bMuiMpfiu0hxNT 8SUatt5bLdynjsbk0N981U+PktSuqNiwhx+ii1fohsdvn0BAdTqz0SuMzBnfsa7Ql4y6 kI+xjzqOsOleyEIKexGbFs0SiuGNp3wmNeTm0zIFwmgMXKjgHN5TrN27tsnGKePIyEJk edmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Sn3oV5MkgBoiV+yaHH3lpa6E9PNjdhESA7/JOHReIsU=; b=WXraVClLmcZMeqU4O9ZNGRuw5CDN290ZXVwrytw4K58jn7cquoN5v5Thgjn+TXP+Qr 4eXXBa2NzCt/rYYOMIyPIUYk+O3tTvMbPi3al1JTZD9fPdQTrR5CdgFRQPt/jR+ae7mH hHjI20wWU/4pTDmsvBfO7ZZiVsYkB3HpVOILQK9R19tQmM0a3memc/W2So0QdP5umd8G WKu0B8EewB8Ei9qTscAgXswxqqzbWxf3vJInLS1lgVmnqwwddOxltrK2SvEircHgTq4o h+sJwogsn/IolN0LsiMWB26PINfL0JM8p6dOP1GzMPjVoh78REMjQEi83+MwMOn9i6IK uRdg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZ4dSd0PX2+YXAmUSsHV33lmIAodyvDf+YvtxgecnNpfyrS5sjL 3RCIxA5TAwPB1qL4neT+NXivzFzrh0DyHe8UFT25bMlGtzA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VSEmqMgH7iUWfCVz8C0ai9I3CPe7csNkgpY9oGswgGBJMxpSEw9P4MCFJkM6w7bjuU8U2AvWcqzjBKxSAP3B8= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:668c:: with SMTP id d12mr17436598qtp.242.1543899829850; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 21:03:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 22:03:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Graphics Team Meeting 11/7 To: FreeBSD X11 mailing list X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D7F29844C2 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.43 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-x11@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.851,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.55), asn: 15169(-1.27), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 05:03:51 -0000 Greetings I'm a little tardy in getting these meeting minutes out. However, here's the meeting minutes from the November 7th meeting we had by phone. 2018-11-07: - drm-legacy, status update from FreeBSD 12 - Status quo: still building, nothing has changed, still occasionally an issue with support. - xf86-video-ati and drm-legacy (pr 231884) - Added xf86-video-ati-legacy to cope with old hardware, note added to pkg-message (does anybody read those?) - Should add it to 12.0 release notes. Needs really good information in the documentation. - No easy way to fix the technical issue due to changes in interface changes and there=E2=80=99s no time available to devote to this. - drm-devel and stolen memory - Committed in current 339979 - Kib merged this to 12 in 340224 - drm-stable and drm-next - Confirm that drm-next is compatible with 11.2. If so, bump drm-stable to Linux 4.11 (current drm-next) - Deprecate drm-next - Bump drm-stable to Linux 4.16 for 12.0 once we confirmed it=E2=80=99s= stable. - enabling wayland by default (pr 227509) - Enable it. We need to start fixing the issues. Right now it=E2=80=99s= too hard to build your own thing. - Will run through the patch and Niclas will approve it so Jan can commit it. - bumping llvm version in mesa - Gecko ports switched to llvm70. No need for mesa to have a different version, but we need to test it to make sure this isn=E2=80=99t a pro= blem. It=E2=80=99s been tested by a few people outside the graphics group. - Not having good testing infrastructure is slowing things down. - Ideally this would happen at a different time than enabling WAYLAND (proposed: WAYLAND first, llvm70 second. WAYLAND patches further alon= g). - input stack - progress update (pr 222905 and friends) - Niclas working on this - Libinput and other stuff - Do xorg-server still need the UDEV patch to work with libinput? If so, how do we solve that? Instructions here (bottom of readme) https://github.com/wulf7/libudev-devd we=E2=80=99ll update libinput f= irst, then investigate this issue to make Niclas=E2=80=99 life easier - Johannes L is using experimental driver for i2c track pad https://reviews.freebsd.org/D16698. Works good but lack evdev support. Something that we want to add. - Branch is up-to-date, but a few ports aren=E2=80=99t latest version. = Can be found here: https://github.com/FreeBSDDesktop/freebsd-ports/tree/feature/input - Get the branch in and update stragglers after. - Input.h is defined in multiple places, and the different versions cause confusion. - Our support for new input devices is lagging upstream significantly and we need to update. - enabling evdev in GENERIC (D16721) - Patches committed to current to fix races and special cases needed for things like debuggers and panic wrt locking. - proposed changes to support cycle for FreeBSD 12.0 - Experience from Gnome/KDE support cycle suggests a shorter cycle is better - There=E2=80=99s no problem with a shorter cycle from a graphics persp= ective - Graphics team doesn=E2=80=99t aspire to support latest hardware excep= t on latest software. - Updating 12.0 past 4.16 might be difficult, the rest of the graphics ecosystem moves in lock-step and that makes it hard to support multip= le versions. - Recent changes are easier to back port and the graphics team can only make their best efforts to backport as the branch ages. They can=E2= =80=99t guarantee any lifetime due to external events not our control. - Goal is to support the branch as long as the project supports it. - 11.3 is coming out, but additional support for GPUs newer than 4.11 will not be back ported, for example. You=E2=80=99d need to run 12.0 = for something newer. - release notes - Need good explanation and how to get things running - Niclas will write up something - Should include the major versions of GPUs that=E2=80=99s supported in= a table (though maybe that=E2=80=99s just a WIKI thing that we can point thin= gs to). - Documentation - Work to update the wiki has started. Pete Wright is leading this. Others will contribute with information. - We should have a blog? Johannes will set it up - i386 support in drm-devel - T=C4=B3l Coosemans added i386 support to drm-devel. Works good for hi= m with radeonkms driver but no other tester yet as far as we know. - Drm-devel port updated. We should let people know. - Provide it as-is. Won=E2=80=99t get the same level of support. - Make sure Tijl is ready to have it enabled and answer support questions. - Matt Macy is looking at Power8 and Power9 drivers - Other architectures that people wish to add support for will be provided on an as-is basis. Attended: Niclas Zeising (zeising@) Johannes Lundberg Warner Losh (imp@) Johannes M. Dietrich (jmd@)