From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 6 17:41:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F160159 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 17:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-x235.google.com (mail-qg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ED892BD4 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 17:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id f51so5058874qge.26 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oztivbwBkqcRKj8NKb89RqUM473Hn1YezdflITvxJ1k=; b=ko6QmF5h6QK6FVEtkT7Ah/H1olXE4+K4bnm+oj/yNr0pCBtNhTDGZivrQG+ud3AgQ4 3HOZzxe5CcJ7mkUt4vkFTajiIYP5B7XsWeCnBhuiKHYCXKDLq1qtnu6Lvs9uDkUVGXG6 FQHFZc46U683D9AQgkHYIDs7KrRdAr/ssTgOM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oztivbwBkqcRKj8NKb89RqUM473Hn1YezdflITvxJ1k=; b=YdQWNzXkxh8LnhkvRI558HaiXNHPfDdQD/8TuH6T/T9jMhDnCspJCfTb/YYBlffuZO Md/k3mFl5MsJ0TlghGbKyKhGXyjXUFunKN0Lr0vIUj9FgFPmhy128lciFAvaR6YqG7jl BB3UtEhRUBjlXE73TCB3tnWttn2w1sm+vgFpr0gTieRgwnxtzicPudxURJsPyV7jt0jA yvKvfvdpEHzqYy3p9lkUs+Lx9JxG3jZgAB9knFgNomVXZPq0uqZPSV+HOBh+4/32VIqs 2cg2ww+HlQjLBC5ufYisEOU3BKK4g/XWuGV+9pm2zims7zD3RfKbSfpQ9CJuWlh/U3LK MRnw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkWBcm7+2voi6rwmHrO37RovODuwEeP9s9AMoxdXXf2l9BVvlZZb+pohtgbHnn6l8Fdkdxe X-Received: by 10.140.107.67 with SMTP id g61mr10610227qgf.100.1402076482849; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s2sm15779733qaj.36.2014.06.06.10.41.22 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 13:41:21 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Ports Subject: Re: Who was the mental genius Message-ID: <20140606134121.730cd435@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <5390E62E.6090807@madpilot.net> <6CEF0183772C97582B196466@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <539130B3.9030604@freebsd.org> <8CA324878D330942AB8AE0B3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <5391611A.3090406@marino.st> <53917957.2020909@freebsd.org> <53917A30.8050504@marino.st> <18E02559D230ED6DF11C040A@localhost> <20140606151739.GC73493@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Reply-To: FreeBSD Ports Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 17:41:24 -0000 On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 11:02:48 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block stated: > Stimulating discussion without insulting people generally gives better > results. That is debatable. After spending much of my life in a managerial role of one kind or another, I have determined that you either have to kick them in the ass, insult them or threaten them before they actually accomplish anything. > Look, we are all doing the best we can with what we've got. The ports > people have been trying to accomplish the equivalent of turning a cruise > ship around in a bathtub without rattling the silverware. It's not > possible to anticipate every issue, particularly when there are so many. Absolutely true. The real trick is where do you find a bathtub that large? > The way improvements are made is for interested people (that is, you) to > get involved and help to improve it. Adding more generals doesn't improve the battle plan. > The challenge you have created is to anticipate the next issue and > report it, preferably with a plan for a solution, before it happens. Really ... Hi, I am a FreeBSD user, and I would like to report a problem that doesn't exist. I have a theoretical solution for this unknown problem, but I cannot test it because I cannot create the environment. Seriously, there are plenty of real problems. Attempting to anticipate theoretical ones and then devise hypothetical solutions is a job best left to those working on quantum physics. -- Jerry