From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 01:27:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD80106566C; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 01:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daichi@ongs.co.jp) Received: from natial.ongs.co.jp (natial.ongs.co.jp [202.216.246.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756058FC1C; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 01:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daichi@ongs.co.jp) Received: from parancell.ongs.co.jp (dullmdaler.ongs.co.jp [202.216.246.94]) by natial.ongs.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CDCF4125422; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:27:01 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <49AF2A65.1000402@ongs.co.jp> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:27:01 +0900 From: Daichi GOTO User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Gardner References: <49A77F4A.2080508@ongs.co.jp> <20090303.164219.48483570.chat95@mac.com> <49AD03C0.7080707@ongs.co.jp> <20090303.205521.193732154.chat95@mac.com> <49AE0D73.1060409@ongs.co.jp> <49AEC5FC.4080808@experts-exchange.com> In-Reply-To: <49AEC5FC.4080808@experts-exchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Maho NAKATA , java@freebsd.org, glewis@FreeBSD.org, toshi@ruby.ocn.ne.jp, leafy7382@gmail.com, jkim@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Japanese font conf for JDK16 to use IPA font X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:27:03 -0000 Brian Gardner wrote: > I'm talking about both, and agree with your assessment that since IPA is > the best japanese font, then I will use it in the FreeBSD port. I will > try to add it as a prereq for the Japan audience, so that users simply > install the port and get the best experience! I will be taking this > route with every langaunge. So far here is what I have going into the > next release: > JAPANESE - japanese/ipa-ttfonts > KOREAN - korean/unfonts-ttf +1 I agree with you. > Daichi GOTO wrote: >> I know all that all you know. It's correct. >> >> But our talk has a difference in awareness, you know? >> I am talking about *A fontconfig.properties patch file >> in Ports Collection (java/jdk16, java/openjdk6)*, you >> are talking about *Back porting to OpenJDK6 original >> src tree*, right? >> >> I believe that JDK16/OpenJDK6 default japanese font setting >> of *PORTS COLLECTION* should be IPA font. And setting >> default japanese font to VLgothic of *OpenJDK6 original src* >> is not best but validness. >> >> (JIMO, there should be any kind of fontconfig.properties >> of *OpenJDK6 original src*. ex, OS depends setting >> (fontconfig.FreeBSD.properties, fontconfig.Ubuntu.properties, >> fontconfig.OpenSolaris.properties, ...), font depend setting >> (fontconfig.properties-bitstream, fontconfig.properties-vl, ...) >> or something like that. Variation is important. Bacause >> user can use valid font config for their platform just copying >> a file if it has just suited). >> >> At last, I say again. I am talking about Ports Collection >> only. You are talking about back porting to OpenJDK6 original src, >> right? >> >> Maho NAKATA wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> From: Daichi GOTO >>> Subject: Re: Japanese font conf for JDK16 to use IPA font >>> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:17:36 +0900 >>> >>> >>>> Maho NAKATA wrote: >>>> >>>>> Daichi san >>>>> Sorry for changing my mind...this is just suggestion. >>>>> IPA font is good but license is too restrictive. >>>>> >>>> NO. That is old information. Please check latest IPAfont license. >>>> We can use it as default font right now I guess. >>>> >>> Yes, I have checked the new one :) >>> For me, "free" means we can also redistribute modified fonts; >>> like IPA-mona-font http://www.geocities.jp/ipa_mona/ , >>> M+ IPA font http://mix-mplus-ipa.sourceforge.jp/download.html >>> and IPA fonts from FreeBSD ports (actually this is M+IPA font). >>> >>> Note that they still employes older licence, because newer license has >>> restrictive clauses (第3条1). >>> >>> >>>>> VLGothic is free font and ubuntu uses as user interface font. >>>>> Fallback to VLGothic may useful for some environment. >>>>> >>>> NO. I do not think so. >>>> >>>> Ubuntu use VLGothic as default Japanese font since license issue, >>>> yes I know that. (JFYI, PC-BSD use it as default Japanese/Chinese >>>> font too, because of 1CD size limitation.) But it is lead by >>>> Ubuntu *BINARY PACKAGE SITUATION* and their license policy, that is >>>> not affected to Ports Collection of FreeBSD. >>>> >>> This part is correct. However, please aware that IPA font set is >>> not a free one. Policies can be different between Linux distributions; >>> Fedora won't be shipped with IPA fonts nor Ubuntu, etc. Situation is >>> quite different from gcc; almost every distribution can include gcc, >>> because it is a free software. >>> it's okay but may result incompatibility issue. >>> >>> >>>> So I believe that IPA font should be used as default Japanese >>>> fonts on most situation, at least by Ports Collection. >>>> How do you make of that? >>>> >>> It depends. If you and colleagues want to use FreeBSD, that's okay. >>> However if you work with other people who use Linux, it could result >>> some conflict. In any case, if there is a Windows or MacOSX guy, >>> we cannot avoid conflict :) >>> >>> At least VLgothic is a free one, and the worst case, it would be better >>> to have a fallback to VLgothic if IPA font is not present. >>> >>> Best >>> -- Nakata Maho http://accc.riken.jp/maho/ , http://ja.openoffice.org/ >>> Nakata Maho's PGP public keys: http://accc.riken.jp/maho/maho.pgp.txt >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Daichi GOTO, http://people.freebsd.org/~daichi -- 有限会社オングス 技術開発担当 後藤大地 (daichi@ongs.co.jp) TEL: 042-316-7945 FAX: 042-316-7946 WWW: http://www.ongs.co.jp/