From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 13 06:48:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E774332D4A4 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 06:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49kSqT5gWXz4f5H for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 06:48:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.114.95]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MRVy9-1jVsvz1J4P-00NNvd; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 08:48:46 +0200 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 08:48:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kurt Hackenberg Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-Id: <20200613084845.a3ea685c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4fff9eab-fa74-afe9-b046-9b0bcdb072ce@panix.com> References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611075658.1dd841a9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611082443.0000187a@seibercom.net> <2e6c6baf-9d87-2a02-00c3-578c6630f97f@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200611172537.2f7cdc07@archlinux> <20200612081401.f5a5c95b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4fff9eab-fa74-afe9-b046-9b0bcdb072ce@panix.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3lWYmX6D41uq0P2WIpOAAuN5lqNI+iCMl0ZiPt1zVD4NY7yrokh LcOa6EOeBLXe5am3+O1w5lcFJYImSb4tC3mVo5cQcp/6UmbyghegMgIxb+vY1dBDbsqv4pa A87UWWo2cW+fyhNlJP7YOtOMiQXsnU7JxydbUBal54+4UHz44ZQbCXHzfvDuB/ZG2KJhX5S mufNUmWpLJ6HW+6YlQtgw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:hTPyKgLkn/I=:0vEfi2SmUcS7JAGryzgloB NaAqXG3Npc1ygybhQWsiJUVUSar6mN/nCVHqTMW8fkzlM43ZYx4aX8geWTZT3IntKJUy8tYtW UVVKvp4SILrwAeAHjfEgwbVDFYnbegC//aKTbrtXcSBiSTVt/5YnPea3WZd0VOzCLEnkQJHVw zyrazji679YLP3I+L4Zfo6eQMNBuKxbAcqKHeuLDHS+JP3TaCs4cGEwDCdVIgjCD8xZgwd/cC 0kdDOWliBUa21c8gr95/aUFoXBQc6Va1G1SxaQk0tXK8b3aHpVg+JRx+0SPR02P38KDk0Hfky +BWEwq3Zsi3OFc4GQ1X/A+ZyIpnwcA0/H4QMvHs52huP3Kb0ZCxC4ZgnPUyuOT1TGqXbmIvO+ z2paSV5YgaN8lSkkpFEcU5I8uveZMBYYucdQ9fGibnqxVVHoykJGhPHIlR7nCZnyd/o9d33eC +a5dqggUYk/9RY8njRmXm5n1vnO10PtZ4l5Guuqx+JyTZ5wNA4zDXEgLPdRl9kQAqMrapqYcI MhwxAkv/A8mzGYo7nzssdicW7todmrC++ahZ+3omx3eWBAadLN2SHoEjmoEEQcbhN6egbN1n1 ko+Bur+aAipd45e4R3Nw1gHV6DgHHY2+PScHWa7Gxp578x082TgcXL2/9bdvM8laQT6ELQpLt xGJbAmGPeHECLAqR7/7leR25WN93WvhmLdJ0fzTf9XPNt6qp62muV4Zrborfq0zo2uhPz+vK6 mV0vINuE3T98iBV4IiW6jiHwPQPijmhDsOcUtiFQY5wZmPkl6iw915oLkFPzJjY7Y+IzU56jC DtzRkirCwluY59BqywIKx+HralWc0nL3hkH4WndfXxb2I7F2yIQSp5yWS71YPxDWx/stza7 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49kSqT5gWXz4f5H X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.133) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.71 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.33)[-0.327]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.114.95:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.11)[0.108]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.53)[0.531]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 06:48:55 -0000 On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:58:16 -0400, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > On 2020-06-12 02:14, Polytropon wrote: > > >> But it's often done by redefining the ASCII characters carriage return > >> and line feed. Originally they meant, respectively, move the print head > >> to the left margin, and roll the paper up a line. > > > > Erm... no. The carriage return returns the _carriage_ to the > > first position (here: to the right), that's why it is called > > carriage return and not print head return. :-) > > > > On older electrical typewriters, you will see... > Electric typewriters didn't use ASCII. I didn't talk about the character encoding, but about why "carriage return" refers to the paper carriage, not to the printing head movement. Depending on what encoding they used (Baudot, CCITT, MTK) there usually were distinct codes for CR and LF, and separate keys. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...