From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 6 18:25:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF506E59; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 18:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2492041; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 18:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.245.225.103] (103.sub-174-240-34.myvzw.com [174.240.34.103]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 214FA1A3C23; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <5390E62E.6090807@madpilot.net> <6CEF0183772C97582B196466@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <539130B3.9030604@freebsd.org> <8CA324878D330942AB8AE0B3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <5391611A.3090406@marino.st> <53917957.2020909@freebsd.org> <53917A30.8050504@marino.st> <18E02559D230ED6DF11C040A@localhost> <20140606151739.GC73493@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11D201) From: Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: Who was the mental genius Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 11:24:55 -0700 To: Warren Block Cc: Paul Schmehl , Baptiste Daroussin , Michael Gmelin , Alfred Perlstein , "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:25:06 -0000 > On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Warren Block wrote: >=20 >> On Fri, 6 Jun 2014, Paul Schmehl wrote: >>=20 >> No offense was meant. I deliberately chose the subject to stimulate disc= ussion, which it has obviously done. >=20 > Stimulating discussion without insulting people generally gives better res= ults. >=20 > Look, we are all doing the best we can with what we've got. The ports peo= ple have been trying to accomplish the equivalent of turning a cruise ship a= round in a bathtub without rattling the silverware. It's not possible to an= ticipate every issue, particularly when there are so many. >=20 > The way improvements are made is for interested people (that is, you) to > get involved and help to improve it. >=20 > The challenge you have created is to anticipate the next issue and report i= t, preferably with a plan for a solution, before it happens. >=20 Let's not overly tone police folks. If no one can constructively criticize t= hen we don't get any feedback.=20 Anyone's tone can be attacked I firmly believe that Paul's tone matches the w= ay we east coasters chide each other to provoke debate.=20=