From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 9 20:21:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098D21065672 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from FS.denninger.net (wsip-70-169-168-7.pn.at.cox.net [70.169.168.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6E78FC15 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by FS.denninger.net (8.14.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q59K8LiQ096316 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:08:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] [192.168.1.40] by Spamblock-sys (LOCAL); Sat Jun 9 15:08:21 2012 Message-ID: <4FD3AD35.3090301@denninger.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:08:21 -0500 From: Karl Denninger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120609-1, 06/09/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Backups with 9-STABLE -- Options? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 20:21:17 -0000 With SU+J as the default filesystem, what options actually WORK now? 1. Dump "L" will NOT -- it doesn't hang any more but now just bitches and refuses to run. I suppose that beats a hang.... 2. Dump without "L" and take your chances? What risks am I running by doing this on a running system? 3. Other? Dump has been the canonical means of backing up... forever. And it still is claimed to be the canonical means in the documentation. So what options do we have now that actually work -- is there now a new "canonical" backup method that is recommended? -- -- Karl Denninger /The Market Ticker ®/ Cuda Systems LLC