Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:10:03 -0400 From: Jim Ohlstein <jim@ohlste.in> To: Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>, Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> Cc: Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Who was the mental genius Message-ID: <5392201B.7040507@ohlste.in> In-Reply-To: <CD32DDF0-189A-4E38-A045-BCA433289C4B@mu.org> References: <D2EE1900E54F5DC324E503D3@localhost> <5390E62E.6090807@madpilot.net> <6CEF0183772C97582B196466@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <539130B3.9030604@freebsd.org> <8CA324878D330942AB8AE0B3@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> <5391611A.3090406@marino.st> <53917957.2020909@freebsd.org> <53917A30.8050504@marino.st> <EA88DBD9-F436-4107-9181-45A5375C6442@freebsd.org> <18E02559D230ED6DF11C040A@localhost> <20140606151739.GC73493@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <E590017B5B94CBFBF1C39176@localhost> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1406061050200.9814@wonkity.com> <CD32DDF0-189A-4E38-A045-BCA433289C4B@mu.org>
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Hello, On 6/6/14, 2:24 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >> On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 6 Jun 2014, Paul Schmehl wrote: >>> >>> No offense was meant. I deliberately chose the subject to stimulate discussion, which it has obviously done. >> >> Stimulating discussion without insulting people generally gives better results. >> >> Look, we are all doing the best we can with what we've got. The ports people have been trying to accomplish the equivalent of turning a cruise ship around in a bathtub without rattling the silverware. It's not possible to anticipate every issue, particularly when there are so many. >> >> The way improvements are made is for interested people (that is, you) to >> get involved and help to improve it. >> >> The challenge you have created is to anticipate the next issue and report it, preferably with a plan for a solution, before it happens. >> > > Let's not overly tone police folks. If no one can constructively criticize then we don't get any feedback. > > Anyone's tone can be attacked I firmly believe that Paul's tone matches the way we east coasters chide each other to provoke debate. Not to get too far off topic but as a life long east coaster (except for a short sojourn in the flatlands of Kansas), and being old enough to know better, that is not "normal" east coast chiding. Maybe that's normal northeast talk, but here in the south people have manners. Having said that, this is what I infer from the situation. With all due respect Paul, you have said you are 18 months from retirement. Most folks are kinda coasting by that point. I'm guessing that's why you were running your servers on a no longer supported version of FreeBSD. Unfortunately, "no longer supported" *really* meant "no longer supported" in this case, and you got bit, and got angry. Sadly, you have no one to blame but yourself, since this was in fact well documented. If I was not a polite southerner, perhaps I'd ask who was the mental genius that expected to run an unsupported OS for the next 18 months? But I'm too polite to ask. -- Jim Ohlstein "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain
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