From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 27 11:14:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA24533 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24527 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA01749; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:13:48 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:13:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708271813.UAA01749@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: j@uriah.heep.sax.de's message of Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:33:36 +0200 Subject: Re: ATT Unix for Windows ! References: <199708251245.WAA23142@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> <19970825204932.12036@grendel.IAEhv.nl> <34020362.7DB1@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co> <19970825224258.55928@grendel.IAEhv.nl> <19970826083051.FR52594@uriah.heep.sax.de> <19970826235525.22143@grendel.IAEhv.nl> <19970827093336.NX00626@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As Peter Korsten wrote: > > > The fact that I like windows, mice, pop-ups, buttons and the like > > perhaps lies in my Amiga background. > > Since the advent of useable graphics adapters, i like windows much > myself. I couldn't imagine the daily Unix work without X11 anymore, > and i'm fighting hacky approaches like `svgalib' (in particular, those > people who think that they need to use it) for these reasons: why the > h*ck do they wanna force me to turn X11 off for their lousy > application? > > > I find the > > flexibility that Unix offers with it's pretty free-format confi- > > guration files rather a disadvantage. > > Well, and that's the difference. Once you know the very basics of > each, you also start to value the flexibility. I could also say i > hate LISP since writing my applix-mode.el took me three or four hours, > and i had to lookup almost every LISP primitive in the manual!? :-) > But then, which language can you really learn within three or four > hours? It was possible, it didn't make me a LISP wizard, but it > offered me the ability to get done what i wanted to get done (a > certain form of formatting required for an ApplixWord document, mostly > the line breaks in a fairly strict and backslashified form as Applix > did expect them). I don't believe any MS-Win editor (not counting a > Windows port of Emacs, of course :) would have allowed me to get this > done at all, simply since their developers didn't take into account > that someone else might have such a weird request at some time. Eh - you could do that in LISP or C[1] in BRIEF[3], in Lisp in Epsilon, in C[2] in CodeWright, and in some other editor extension languages. Emacs isn't the only editor written as an extension langauge with a default setup anymore. It still has a powerful set of macros already written; but it is possible in many other editors. [1] "C" - this is their LISP hacked up in C-syntax. A bad idea IMHO, but at some point the LISP/C balance tipped. [2] Normal C - DLLs with an API to extend the editor. Usually more work than with a dedicated extension language, but extremely flexible - you can do absolutely anything with the editor. [3] I don't know if BRIEF has been ported to Windows yet, or has been left to rot in DOS. Extremely nice, though - works with multi-gigabytes files easily, as opposed to Emacs. Lacks a good set of modes and colours, though. Eivind.