From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 6 13:44:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8937A37B416 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30349BC84; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06256; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:44:27 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fA6LgKS59935; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:42:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Bill Moran Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Request for opinions: what is spam References: <3BE81422.7080304@potentialtech.com> <3r3d3racp8.d3r@localhost.localdomain> <3BE84DDE.8090201@potentialtech.com> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 06 Nov 2001 13:42:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: <3BE84DDE.8090201@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: Lines: 41 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Moran writes: > Gary W. Swearingen wrote: ... > at work. Cold-calls don't bring up the same ethical question as spam, > but they still "annoy people" and does that make them right/wrong or > are they even effective? I've heard of cold-calling for thirty years without hearing them considered unethical. Annoying, yes, but just business as usual. Their difficulty and inefficiency keeps them to a tolerable level. As for spaming people who have asked questions, I WOULD be annoyed and consider it smap unless your promotion was attached to some info of value (in which case list-posting is OK in my book too, if the promotion is discrete) or your expertise related to my problem was something I couldn't get from many other FreeBSD consultants. If I want a consultant, I'll look for FreeBSD consultant web sites or ask for one. > "freebsd-jobs FreeBSD employment and consulting opportunities." I see your point now; I hadn't considered your business. You're seeking an employer in some sense. Maybe that's accepted, even encouraged, on that list; I don't know. People probably wouldn't care unless dozens of FreeBSD consultants were posting per day. It doesn't seem kosher to me, but I also don't care much. > Which is all I could find on the web site concerning that list. Perhaps > that charter should be better defined. If I could make the mistake, so > could anyone. I see that the list has no charter entry at all in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html You could propose a suggested charter (to suit youself) and see if many people on that list have a problem with it. If not, submit a handbook PR for it. (Consider it payment for services rendered.) Preferably include a patch, but just some text is OK, or you could even just mail it to freebsd-doc@freebsd.org and someone will probably do the grunt work for you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message