From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 2 17: 7:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from darjeeling.carrel.org (darjeeling.carrel.org [216.173.212.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 55D5D37B693 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cysgod@mail.carrel.org) Received: (qmail 73933 invoked by uid 1000); 3 May 2000 00:07:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "William A. Carrel" To: Jeremiah Gowdy Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, tcole@wcug.wwu.edu, insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <005301bfb483$7dd834e0$5a5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2 May 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > > I was that that hapless victim on IRC. While my question was > > somewhat inane, and was answered on my own digging through kernel > > source code. I frankly did not anticipate the rudeness with which > > my question was recieved, particularly when I bothered to research > > ahead of time. > > It's not considered rude when people repremand you for breaking the rules. > Period. It is rude to call someone a 'dumbfuck' when they ask a question and demonstrate a moderate amount of technical knowledge. Shame on me for not being polite in the face of insults. > > As a regular member of #FreeBSD, I remember how annoying some > > questions were, but treatment like this sours me not only to the > > channel but to the whole project. > > lol. I'll mail you a RedHat CD. And this sort of attitude really helps FreeBSD. I'm sure BSDI will be sending you a nice award to thank you for your wonderful efforts in fostering a positive relationship with the userbase. I'm sure this make great publicity for the project that encourages novice users to pick up the system. > > Sure, the channel ops can do whatever the hell they want, I don't > > deny that. However I find it appalling that people would post to > > 'advocacy' about how it is acceptable to kick-ban users rather than > > politely redirecting them. > > The original complaint (whining, bitching, crying) was posted to advocacy. I didn't write the original complaint. It was someone else observing what a bunch of assholes some of the IRC ops on #FreeBSD/EFNet are. And after all the bitching and moaning done by the ops. Ops who should be able to do whatever the hell they want because they don't see how it affects the project, I thought I'd post and agree with the original message. You can go ahead and be a pack of flaming jerks, there is nothing wrong with this, it is perfectly your right. However it reflects poorly on the project, it alienates users, and it makes enemies out of project leaders, committers and contributers. Please take this into account before committing any rash actions in the future. Of course this post will get me kickbanned again. -- William Carrel -- Cysgod/EFnet+OpenProjects -- william.a@carrel.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message