From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 31 18:04:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18622 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:04:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com (garbo.lodgenet.com [204.124.122.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA18603 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnp@lodgenet.com) Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (milo.lodgenet.com [10.0.122.42]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA04676; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:55:51 -0500 Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by milo.lodgenet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22256; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:02:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199809010102.UAA22256@milo.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: David Wolfskill cc: johnp@lodgenet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird sendmail/pop problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:15:46 PDT." <199809010015.RAA23825@pau-amma.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:02:31 -0500 From: John Prince Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thats Understandable. and I do mostly agree.. however I feel your general reply was a bit Pretentious. Not knowing the full situation, only the problem as described, it appears to me the mail is not created during an alias expansion for the original sender. If there is a better way I am "humbly" all ears.. How would you suggest it be corrected? --John Prince David Wolfskill writes: > >Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:48:37 -0500 > >From: John Prince > > >How about removing the comment from the following in the sendmail.cf file?? > >#O MeToo > > For your own installation? Sure, do as you please (though I encourage > you to read below). > > As a default? I don't recommend it, for POLA, if nothing else (at > least, it would be POLA for those of us who have been using UNIX & > sendmail for... well, a while...). > > That said, even the admittedly primitive MUA called "mail" allows an > individual invoker to override the system default "MeToo" setting -- > from "man mail": > > metoo Usually, when a group is expanded that contains the sender, the > sender is removed from the expansion. Setting this option cause s > the sender to be included in the group. > > > If other MUAs fail to implement the feature, and it's wanted, either > change the MUAs in question or switch to MUAs that more nearly meet your > needs. Or go ahead and switch your installation default, but you might > want to let your anyone who might be using the machines in question > know ahead of time. (You may note that I'm looking at this from a > perspective that assumes that such changes may well affect a number of > people, typically >>1.) > > And please note that sendmail provides a way to turn the "metoo" feature > *on* via the command line, but does not (as far as I know) provide a way > to turn it *off* via the command line. > > Another reason for not changing it (which may well be a borderline > religious issue, but life's like that sometimes) is that changing the > sendmail.cf isn't something I'll recommend, period. I would recommend > changing the .mc file & re-generating the sendmail.cf, if there's a > reasonable change that's wanted in the sendmail.cf. There's a way to > accomplish the stated objective via the .mc files; it's documented iin > the 2nd ed. Bat book. (BTW, that documentation also mentions some > additional reasons to leave the option turned off by default.) > > Cheers, > david > -- > David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator > dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message