Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 09:49:32 -0500 From: Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org> To: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience Message-ID: <CACNAnaGhPML3vKwETS93aK9qzNLRiruJYA2OuwvOmS%2BafXVABw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20200410061248.GK4213@funkthat.com> References: <CAPyFy2AVfEzey0%2B9-b8ZS1uyn8ODOoNhCHY7fHp2uc9ASiw%2BnA@mail.gmail.com> <CACNAnaF000ywitUn-HfqpFKZVXBtU78m=OXQXego9_0SxrT-jQ@mail.gmail.com> <20200410061248.GK4213@funkthat.com>
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 1:12 AM John-Mark Gurney <jmg@funkthat.com> wrote: > > Kyle Evans wrote this message on Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 14:34 -0500: > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > > Jim Salter has an article in Ars Technica discussing his experience > > > with FreeBSD 12.1 as a desktop: > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/not-actually-linux-distro-review-freebsd-12-1-release/ > > > > > > There are some points in there that might involve misunderstanding, > > > but there are also a number of real issues raised about the experience > > > a new (or newish) desktop FreeBSD user will have. It will be a good > > > idea for us to examine these, and offer advice or corrections if > > > appropriate, and otherwise look how we can improve the FreeBSD > > > experience for new users. > > > > Random small collection of thoughts I had after reading this: > > [...] > > > 2. re: default shell and niceties: complete agreement, IMO we should > > at least have basically usable history at a minimum > > Hmm... I wonder if this is a terminal issue or something. I do > remember /bin/sh not working w/ up/down arrow, but I just tried in > a jail, and up/down arrows work fine. Also, I normally just "set -o vi" > using /bin/sh to give me vi keys in the shell and then it just works... > > Guess more exploration is needed of a fresh install to figure it out... > My memory here is incredibly hazy, it may be that I was scarred by history not persisting at all across sessions or something like this; I quickly installed zsh and never looked back.
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