From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Oct 12 19:39:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA08437 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from rh173-26.reshall.ucsd.edu (rh173-26.reshall.ucsd.edu [128.54.173.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08432 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from taco@mad.scientist.com) Received: from jaguar.atcg.com (localhost.ucsd.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by rh173-26.reshall.ucsd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA24638; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <344189DD.3B54AFBF@mad.scientist.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:39:25 -0700 From: "Todd \"Taco\" Hansen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fnord0: disabled, not probed. References: <199710130153.SAA09040@usr03.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am more of a programmer than anything else, but occasionally I have to do system admin stuff on various FreeBSd boxes. Even some that I have never seen before. I find the disabled, not probed messages very useful. They are usually not very long and it makes it very convienent to be looking for a problem and to just view dmesg and look to make sure the device was detected. If it says disabled, not probed, then you know quick and easy what is up. The whole reason for showing all of the boot information is to allow an experienced user to see what is wrong. For a new user they just look for a login prompt anyway. This output is very useful. If windows 95 freezes up on boot, you don't always know exactly where it froze. As with FreeBSd you can usually tell what device it was working on (if you know the boot order). I don't know, I find it a great convience and I think it should be kept until there is another method by which the kernel is configured. After all, what can extra verbosity hurt? (perhaps I shouldn't ask that). Anyway, that is my 2 cents. -taco -- Todd Hansen, KD6YPS (Taco) taco@mad.scientist.com http://millenium.atcg.com/ "Whenever any form of government becomes destructive...it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it" - Declaration Of Independence