From owner-freebsd-current Fri Dec 20 13:29:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDCF37B401; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from MX2.estpak.ee (mta1.mail.neti.ee [194.126.101.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6E843EEA; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:29:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kalts@estpak.ee) Received: from tiiu.internal (80-235-34-67-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.34.67]) by MX2.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id B236A73541; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:28:25 +0200 (EET) Received: from tiiu.internal (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiiu.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBKLTSkP003624; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:29:28 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo@tiiu.internal) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by tiiu.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gBKLTJ1e003623; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:29:19 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:29:19 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Terry Lambert Cc: Sam Leffler , Hiten Pandya , Darren Reed , current@FreeBSD.ORG, darrenr@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PFIL_HOOKS should be made default in 5.0 Message-ID: <20021220212919.GA3543@tiiu.internal> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee References: <0a6201c2a6f9$42cfd720$52557f42@errno.com> <200212200127.MAA20942@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> <20021220032930.GA67469@unixdaemons.com> <0e5401c2a7e1$37149090$52557f42@errno.com> <0e9701c2a7e2$cbe1de20$52557f42@errno.com> <20021220105251.GA1296@tiiu.internal> <3E0345B2.9E7D4C74@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E0345B2.9E7D4C74@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i-ja.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 08:30:42AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Vallo Kallaste wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 08:46:44PM -0800, Sam Leffler > > wrote: > > > > #ifndef PFIL_HOOKS #error "You must specify PFIL_HOOKS when > > > > using ipfilter" #endif > > > > > > > > Unfortunately there's no way that I know to express this if > > > > ipfilter is loaded as a module. > > > > > > Duh, there'll probably be unresolved symbols if you try to > > > load ipl.ko w/o PFIL_HOOKS defined in the kernel. > > > > Yes, and this "undefined symbols" message will make no sense > > from user perspective. > > > Then fix it. The fix is trivial: [description of possible fix snipped] As I've stated several times and as you most certainly know I'm not developer. What are you trying to accomplish by the phrase "then fix it"? Put me down, eh? I have encountered this problem several times and for the first time the message about unresolved symbol(s) made no sense and forced me to do time consuming searches over the 'Net to get a clue what's going on. Will we want to get possible users using FreeBSD or will we want argue about it to death? The users get bored and move on, that's it. -- Vallo Kallaste kalts@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message