From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 17 16: 5: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F8837B403 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from Atlanta.threespace.com ([24.21.224.204]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010617230446.ZDKW15482.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Atlanta.threespace.com> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:04:46 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010617184404.01776308@mail.threespace.com> X-Sender: tech_info@mail.threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:51:51 -0400 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Technical Information Subject: Re: System Tuning/Sysadmins In-Reply-To: <15148.55623.109849.700547@guru.mired.org> References: <20010617093905.A20349@h24-67-61-12.lb.shawcable.net> <20010617063505.A29241@shell.monmouth.com> <20010617073505.B20171@h24-67-61-12.lb.shawcable.net> <20010617103922.A79022@acidpit.org> <20010617093905.A20349@h24-67-61-12.lb.shawcable.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a fair enough statement, but I'm in agreement with Chris too. If I configured my snazzy UNIX server and it works, what difference does it make how I got it there (text editing or GUI)? I love the stability of UNIX but often find myself in a position of wanting to turn on the XYZ service on a particular system, but not having the time to (nor wanting to) research and find the one little line of some text file in /etc that I need to uncomment to make that happen. I'm no sysadmin, but with a reasonable GUI tool at least I can still get some work done. And there seems to be a sentiment among the Old Guard of UNIX that if you didn't edit it manually with ed or vi, it doesn't really count. That probably only serves to limit the growth of GUI administration tools even more, as those with the skill to create them don't need them or advocate their use. --Chip Morton At 12:22 PM 6/17/2001, you wrote: >Which is the real problem with the GUIify the world approach to system >administration: the GUI hides the details about what's going on, so if >that tool isn't available, the admin has no idea how to go about >fixing things with the tools that may be available. > > -- >Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ >Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message