From owner-freebsd-testing@freebsd.org Sun Nov 15 14:39:51 2015 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-testing@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-testing@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7350A2F2F4 for <freebsd-testing@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org>; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing-machine@vniz.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE5C1A8D for <freebsd-testing@freebsd.org>; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing-machine@vniz.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 89F11A2F2F2; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: testing@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB8FA2F2F0 for <testing@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org>; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing-machine@vniz.net) Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 153561A89 for <testing@freebsd.org>; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailing-machine@vniz.net) Received: by lbbkw15 with SMTP id kw15so75890592lbb.0 for <testing@freebsd.org>; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 06:39:48 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=N+/qrDhwqMSxblTFFZCVrUXzdiCabyNu+M3NcvUp4xQ=; b=MdJJfvRb5liidn0ORca70yY5OmWvA3spVPPZnj2mMIZ37TTNaWb8ADPWLFTIP3NrNd 7670Iz6iz/GB6SqgDAdA2J9/n5D8Sl3YvDIiSM1rbJLvuVW8xMAUW4SV4yJfl7kstWP4 nJYgf1CSiWr4rP12iTego3fPR1tFXRCZ/18QSVBkHbt/AajlgWC+uHGG5G460Rvz4Sz6 GCsPm41vy7wmL1N27vSZvI+7g/oPyMGm2MWqxXkwXt18R0VDfNZaDhKEcYXsSf7ISIXZ w1LRikkj7HTNRdVIm5TNSNHUMFSuzaYffleV+7SXQxo8ZFx/SbYu6KVI/R/FKxxLOM7f ElBg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmod6z+zZdpSRYEBikeHnhOnDLjU0sjtADxxCJ1kojXbKdr0DZ7JwGQZef3JhqPFVFBQ+jB X-Received: by 10.112.39.5 with SMTP id l5mr1309893lbk.101.1447598388677; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 06:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([89.169.173.68]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g193sm4810753lfb.6.2015.11.15.06.39.47 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Nov 2015 06:39:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Need help fixing failing locale tests To: John Marino <mfl-commissioner@marino.st>, marino@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org> References: <CAG=rPVc1t2q_MR99iyWYfy4xrCy==KA1yT=EAaa2twiHoC=zcA@mail.gmail.com> <CAG=rPVfK6ZyWJhtuBihmj+WNp94auCJ3kDqoQm-ygXNpiLeatA@mail.gmail.com> <69242BD8-9010-47F0-9706-BE206376ECEA@gmail.com> <289892B6-EACE-4BDA-B838-D3DC750319DE@gmail.com> <56482FA9.2010803@marino.st> <56487973.5070803@freebsd.org> <20151115124656.GB93991@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <564880FA.5000009@freebsd.org> <564882A3.7060109@marino.st> <5648842E.3050203@freebsd.org> <5648853F.2050901@marino.st> <56488A76.1090502@freebsd.org> <56488E8C.9080901@marino.st> Cc: NGie Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-current Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-testing@freebsd.org" <testing@freebsd.org> From: Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56489932.1080504@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:39:46 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56488E8C.9080901@marino.st> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-testing@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Testing on FreeBSD <freebsd-testing.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-testing>, <mailto:freebsd-testing-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-testing/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-testing@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-testing-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-testing>, <mailto:freebsd-testing-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 14:39:51 -0000 On 15.11.2015 16:54, John Marino wrote: > We are talking about people that install FreeBSD 11 as a release. If > it's an upgrade, it's documented in UPDATING (it will be) and anybody on > -CURRENT is taking responsibility for knowing what they are doing. *IF* > this is an obstacle, it's either trivial or that user shouldn't be using > -CURRENT to begin with. As I already say, I don't want to insist on any particular point of view in such area as human behavior. I just say that it is POLA violation (even while it is upgrade) and we can let users decide by themselves, what it best for them (without me at least). >> I tell about is not different text document encoding, but program >> failure due to inability to set his 8859-1 locale. > > Please provide an example of such a program (in ports). See gettext-0.19.6/gettext-tools/configure, part started with # Test for the usual locale name. I don't have time to dig more such code now, but I remember I saw more for sure. >> In any case it is related to the user behavior an various views on it. >> They can be different and I see no point to insist on my particular view >> at all. But... Programs configure soft-fails shows real danger here. > > and the impact of this is ... ? Various. It depends on for what reason program sense locale. -- http://ache.vniz.net/