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[2603:9001:0:1eda:89f1:a9b9:87f4:c437]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 197-20020a8106ce000000b00545a08184a6sm2641922ywg.54.2023.03.28.15.09.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "'Hans Petter Selasky'" , "'Chris Brannon'" , References: <878rfgddr7.fsf@the-brannons.com> <171b1481-fe70-0fe7-d5b6-cf3f392d6ec4@selasky.org> In-Reply-To: <171b1481-fe70-0fe7-d5b6-cf3f392d6ec4@selasky.org> Subject: RE: introduction and testing console screen reader Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 18:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <02d701d961c1$e9f68550$bde38ff0$@gmail.com> List-Id: FreeBSD accessibility discussions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-accessibility List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-accessibility@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-accessibility@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQH2FJd1fILF+o0oNvgYWkdZO+pR6QFdz6G9rsxqjBA= Content-Language: en-us X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PmP3R6QvVz3HGw X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Hi all, There is another screen reader in the ports collection called Yasr that = may help you. Install this along with eflite and give it a try to see what it can do = for you. At this point I have yet to seriously use FreeBSD natively with a = console screen reader. For the time being I just ssh from a Linux system and access the system = this way. I intend to take away the crutch and use a screen reader designed for = that system soon to go along with NetBSD as well. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-accessibility@freebsd.org = On Behalf Of Hans Petter = Selasky Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:48 PM To: Chris Brannon ; = freebsd-accessibility@freebsd.org Subject: Re: introduction and testing console screen reader Hi Chris! I'm glad to hear you got things working. Yes, there is some room for improvement, and all comments and patches = are welcome! There should be more blind computer programmers, because one day some = terribly bright light may appear in the sky and loads of people may = become blind in a second. I've already made a deal with another blind = person to commit the VT screen reader patches to FreeBSD in case of such = a devestating event ;-) --HPS On 3/28/23 18:47, Chris Brannon wrote: > Hi, > I'm a blind person who has used Unix in some form or other since the=20 > 90s, when I got my first shell account. In 2000, I started running=20 > Linux on my own hardware and I've used it exclusively since then. > I've talked about trying FreeBSD on real hardware for a while now. I=20 > recently learned that there is a console screen reader in development, = > and that was the encouragement I needed to install it on some bare = metal. >=20 > I've installed FreeBSD and rebuilt the kernel with the vt patch that I = > found on review.freebsd.org. I've also compiled vtspeakd. > It works! I was able to log in at my console and mess around, with=20 > spoken feedback. > I'm not able to review the screen, so there's plenty of possibility=20 > for improvement, but this looks like a promising first step.