From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 10 04:39:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6538106564A for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:39:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D0D14F340; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <504D6EE8.5010604@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 21:39:04 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh References: <20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com> <42D7F0F3-46EC-484A-8665-626AD5D0404E@bsdimp.com> <504D2BE4.6030007@FreeBSD.org> <59550073-A4DE-4152-B406-DFC47AF991DC@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <59550073-A4DE-4152-B406-DFC47AF991DC@bsdimp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Eitan Adler , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:39:04 -0000 On 9/9/2012 9:01 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> We have a long way to go until 10-RELEASE, and a long uptake cycle after >> that. By the time even a significant percentage of our users are >> actually using 10.something the momentum will have shifted entirely to >> SVN. ... and anyone using 10 who needs CVS can install it from ports. > > I'll point out that "what things should be like at 10.0" is difficult to predict today. Saying the project will be a particular way weakens the argument given the project's glorious history on such pronouncements... It is a great goal, but I'd rather see more concrete progress towards the goal before pulling the trigger. Oddly, the opposite argument was put forth for removing sysinstall in HEAD when there was no replacement available for the post-install features of sysinstall. The fact that it got removed anyway helped spur action regarding its replacement. The balls are already rolling towards getting SVN mirrors in place, and anyone who still needs CVS years from now can install it from ports. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)