Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:11:03 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox <kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" <listsub@401.cx> Cc: michael@gargantuan.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! Message-ID: <20030916151103.699b7e95.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> In-Reply-To: <3F66C262.2050108@401.cx> References: <004101c37b26$de886400$020aa8c0@aims.private> <200309142333.48902.michael@gargantuan.com> <3F6575AE.3040805@401.cx> <20030915115853.4836bd86.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com> <3F66C262.2050108@401.cx>
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:57:22 +0200 "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" <listsub@401.cx> wrote: > Vulpes Velox wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:17:50 +0200 > > "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" <listsub@401.cx> wrote: > > > > > >>Michael W. Oliver wrote: > >> > >>>+--- On Sunday, September 14, 2003 21:15 --- > >>>| Nigel Weeks proclaimed: > >> > >>*snipping some text* > >>Being highly functional and organized does not mean it cant look > >>good. I agree that the freebsd.org website is a great resource for > >>those that are already using BSD, but unfortunally I dont think it > >>helps attracting new users. Its probably the other way around, the > >>site may very well scare some potential BSD users away to more > >>proffesional looking sites, ie Red Hat's. > > > > > > This is getting bloody annoying... wtf do you mean by proffesional? I have > > yet to see what is so proffesional about redhat's site. It is badly laid out > > at best. > > By proffesional I mean a site that does not look like something a 16 > year old has made in dreamweaver. No offense to the people behind > freebsd.org, you are doing a hell of a job and you deserve all the > credits for it, but still the page could look a lot better. > If you find redhat's site badly laid out, then we obviously have a > different way of judging things. I find it good looking, easy to > navigate and well thought out. Too bad their product sucks though. What is so bloody horrible about the FreeBSD site? It is much more proffesional than redhat's site. The two side parts are great. The only thing that could stand to be redone is the center section. It providing a bit more info and ect could be nice. Yes we do have a different way of judging things. I regard proffesional as lacking glib or having little glib. Looks are entirely pointless. Info are the only things that matter. The ability to effectively convey that information is being proffesional, not throwing in a bunch of glib and confusacating the entire issue. There are many ways of laying stuff out. The template redhat borrows is just one, But in the case of redhat it is just horrible implemented. I have personally yet to see how layout choices factors into proffessionalism. As long as it provides the info and ect and little or no glib, then it is cool and proffessional. > > > > Yes, the FreeBSD site could possibly be rearranged to look friendlier to new > > comers, but I seriously doubt copying redhat would help. Glib does not equal > > proffesionalism, at best it is very unproffesional and childish. > > I have never said that we should copy redhat, I used it merely as an > example. And how the hell did glib get into this? Glib came into this when you mentioned redhat's site. It is glib and only glib. With very little of any actual value. The navigation is badly laid out. > >>>Perhaps your site can fill the void for those who aren't attracted to the > >>>stock FreeBSD site. > >>> > >>>| I'm just trying to help by coming up with ideas, instead of shooting down > >>>| others,and complaining all the time. > >>>| > >>>| The sooner FreeBSD takes on a professional image, the sooner it'll get > >>>| accepted and treated as a professional solution. > >>>| > >>>| Yes, it's wrong, but it's how life is. > >>> > >>>What is truly wrong are people who redefine their own world to match what > >>>they think others want to see, rather than doing what they themselves > >>>believe to be right. > >> > >>What I believe is right, is giving people what they want. If people > >>want something else then what I want, then who is right? > >> > >>Why not a compromise? Make the first page and a few of the pages > >>directly below it more "commercial" looking. A nice layout with just > >>the basics, explaining what FreeBSD is and where to get it. The > >>rest, ie the handbook, release information etc etc, can look exactly > >>like it does now. If you are looking in those sections, you are > >>probably a BSD user already anyway. > >> > >> > >>>Like it or not, the world is what we (you, me, everyone) make it, not what > >>>others tell us it is. > >> > >>The world is not what you and me make it, its what everyone makes > >>it. Unfortunally, you and me are a very small part of everyone, so > >>we can only change that much. > > > > > > No, the world is exactly how you make it. If you don't step up to challenges > > then things don't change. If you let idiots have their way with out doing > > any thing about them, then they win. > > My experience is that the number of idiots in the world outnumbers > the amount of non-idiots by 10 to 1, atleast. If I challenged > everything I thought was wrong without first considering other > peoples opinion, I would be a minority forcing my will against a > majority, and I really dont like that thought. "I want it this way, > who cares what the people want." > I have accepted that not everyone is like me, therefor I try to > adapt myself. I am glad not every one is like me, that would be boring. The numbers don't matter, in this case. A large chunk of them lack the ability for rational thought. Thus they relly on others to make their choices for them. That is what marketing execs are for. To help them make decisions to buy inferior products. One should not let themselves be manipulated by the majority just because they think they are right. For the most part right and wrong are just a illusion. Let others live in peace when they let one live in peace, but when they don't, one should take action and put it to a end.
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