From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Jul 24 23:11:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABABBBE52 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B755882D33 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:11:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id qQPfhFwzlUIS2qQPghFbKV; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:11:14 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=N41X6F1B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=0o9FgrsRnhwA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Snfk7bwtAAAA:8 a=Obti7KXxAAAA:8 a=NCTs95MgAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=y9hrzrLY-WXcW14Ft8IA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Yv49N18b_qppuEWVRl0Q:22 a=eHkphwI4ZSSV5F0HjaM_:22 a=hYRRbbiOsBaTAZtwW5r4:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from [IPv6:2605:8d80:406:2713:63c1:7aa8:b3ba:9a0e] (unknown [72.143.219.248]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F16E16AC; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:09:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Old Stuff To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Robert Simmons , "Aaron C. de Bruyn" CC: Luke Crooks From: Cy Schubert Message-ID: X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKh98lRluA71IDMkpopR+SnmrkJ38z/p5q3Os9sT66RPwfUS1xvvJzVW8jCYC5Gb/RfKsqUzyfuVyAg73BRYzVQCyhoMArFhTK40e3RsbPkWgY33bsK5 OK6PyR2IbqoRzZBj8JeSUg+bf4XAPrT4SeXF9LUFjdFSxvg0Xwhv4ctt3dwgIb5BF2addTdA4IAcmTPzsqFwygFI84sF5dL+o0aFdaQqueVc/oU7z3EuiL4/ E2IacKEFpipi/pkIheiqwA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B755882D33 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.918,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[12.134.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.50)[ip: (-6.68), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-3.22), asn: 6327(-2.51), country: CA(-0.09)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11] X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:11:17 -0000 On July 24, 2019 12:09:12 PM PDT, Robert Simmons wr= ote: >Yes, to reduce the code base complexity so that resources can be >focused on >a smaller code base=2E > >On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 3:06 PM Aaron C=2E de Bruyn >wrote: > >> Ubuntu made the decision, then rolled it back (partially) due to >community >> outcry=2E (https://itsfoss=2Ecom/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/) >> If your reason for wanting to drop support is "Ubuntu is doing it", >my >> response would be "cool story bro"=2E >> Can you state what you are trying to accomplish by dropping support >so the >> merits can be debated? >> >> -A >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:47 AM Robert Simmons >> wrote: >> >>> I am and am not=2E Ubuntu has made this choice recently=2E I doubt I a= m >alone >>> in my thinking=2E I fully expected instant pushback on both >suggestions=2E >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 13:29 Luke Crooks >wrote: >>> >>> > Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and >>> > software technologies, still very much in use today=2E >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Luke Crooks >>> > Solent Wholesale Carpets >>> > >>> > On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 17:58 Robert Simmons, >wrote: >>> > >>> >> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and >remove >>> >> all >>> >> of it=2E It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, >and >>> >> safer=2E >>> >> >>> >> In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet >and >>> ftp=2E >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> freebsd-security@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list >>> >> https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security >>> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> >> freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" >>> >> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-security@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list >>> https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" >>> >> >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-security@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list >https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" This reminds me of a discussion I had with a manager at a company I develo= ped IBM mainframe software at=2E His point was this exactly, in order to re= duce expenses through the reduction of staff=2E Given the "staff" on the Fr= eeBSD project are all volunteers, the vast majority of which work on projec= ts/code of our choosing, I don't see your point=2E --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E