From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 26 10: 8: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from waveconcepts.com (waveconcepts.com [207.126.116.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AE914F3F for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from siberian@siberian.org) Received: from [216.112.76.84] (gamera.siberian.org [216.112.76.84] (may be forged)) by waveconcepts.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA09823 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: siberian@207.126.116.40 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:09:14 -0700 To: "'freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org'" From: John Armstrong Subject: RE: What to tell to Linux-centric people?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I personally use freebsd BECAUSE it doesn't have all the lame bells=20 and whistles. Everyone I know uses freebsd for this reason. Even my=20 desktop freebsd box is a bit sparse. For the most part, I think this=20 is the general freebsd culture. Linux culture mostly consists of=20 ex-Windows users who like the color and the flash and the sound and=20 the general garishness of the Windows operating system but in a KrAd=20 UNIX environment. NOTE : That was an 'Extreme Generalization', I=20 understand this. =46reeBSD is an awesomely stable and tough OS. I do not want to play=20 CIV:CTP on my FreeBSD machine, nor do I need colors to make me=20 understand permissions and I really do not need little noises going=20 off when I occasionally do use X-Windows. What my company needs is=20 solid performance with a known development path and unified support=20 structure. This is a cultural issue, not an ego issue. I am all for putting an=20 option in the install process to make things more comfortable for=20 linux users but defaulting to bells and whistles will chase away the=20 users that use freebsd to do workhorse tasks. Just as when you=20 install FreeBSD it says 'Do you want to configure this as an NFS=20 server?' 'Do you want to configure this as an NFS client' etc we may=20 want to have it say 'Would you like me to install Tools familiar to=20 Linux users?' But please, no defaults. John- At 7:55 PM +0300 7/26/99, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: > > The reason people are getting mad at you is that you have been told > > from the beginning that what linuxapps or whatever does is the > > equivalent they *at last* implemented of our Ports, and still > > inferior to boot, but you just DON'T F*CKING LISTEN. > > > >This isn't really something which would matter, anyway [ls-color, that is]. >Which means is the mentality [I'd say, stubbornnes] of *YOUR COMMUNITY* [as >to quote you; please read "FreeBSD community"]. > >If FreeBSD is something free, not commercial, nobody with a common sense >will not claim technical support or anything else [though he might get some >very useful support from the community]. However... this doesn't mean that >the FreeBSD community [not to mention the freebsd-advocacy list!] should >have such an egocentric attitude! And... an anti-marketing one, I'd say! If >you wanna chase users away from *BSD, please go on... OK, it's free, so you >don't do it for money. But [even if you're hating GPL, like I do] do you >want to make it just for yourself, or for serving...hmmm... the humanity? > >It's understandable that you, people which contributed in essential ways to >FreeBSD development, are proud of that. However, you haven't made that >system only for you!Being better than Linux in many ways doesn't mean that >users SHOULD LIKE what you like, and never have another opinion, because yo= u >don't want to hear it. Microsoft partially does this way. Linux, doesn't, a= s >far as I can see. > >I'm afraid Unix gurus don't have much sense of marketing [neither do I, but >this has nothing to do with the topic]. But you must agree you should have >_some_ marketing open-mindness! When you're writing your Resum=E9, you're n= ot >telling how good you are, you're telling to put it in a way easily >understandable by those stupid recruiters ;-) right? > >Think about it. > >Again: I hate these "religious" wars! But... I'm not sure that Linux-people >started this. I think FreeBSD community has too much... how do you say for >the French "orgueil"? > >Radu > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message ----------------------------------------------- 355/113 -- Not the famous irrational number PI, but an incredible simulation! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message