From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 11 09:51:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D656816A418 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timo.schoeler@riscworks.net) Received: from relay.riscworks.net (v32231.1blu.de [88.84.154.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19B313C45B for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timo.schoeler@riscworks.net) Received: from zoidberg.riscworks.net (f054173084.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.54.173.84]) by relay.riscworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9670136E0002; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:51:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from G4.local (unknown [192.168.100.101]) by zoidberg.riscworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C65056513; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:52:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47873C3B.1070008@riscworks.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:51:55 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?VGltbyBTY2jCmm9lbGVy?= Organization: RISCworks User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <47873174.4040802@gmail.com> <3648.1200043092@critter.freebsd.dk> <20080111092015.GA17702@freebie.xs4all.nl> <478735A5.7050307@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <478735A5.7050307@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dominic Fandrey , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:51:57 -0000 thus Aryeh M. Friedman spake: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Wilko Bulte wrote: >> Quoting Poul-Henning Kamp, who wrote on Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at >> 09:18:12AM +0000 .. >>> In message <47873174.4040802@gmail.com>, "Aryeh M. Friedman" >>> writes: >>> >>>>> Ny scheme that depends on us changing the license is a >>>>> non-starter for both practical (we'd need to get everybodys >>>>> acceptance of that, and piss of a large number of users who >>>>> have cleared the BSD license with their laywers) and >>>>> ideological (we don't want to create uncertainty about the >>>>> well known and deeply established BSD license). >>>>> >>>>> >>>> The revision I am suggesting [...] >>> It does not matter. The BSD license will not be changed for the >>> reasons I stated. >>> >>> It ain't gonna happen. >>> >>> All you're doing now is hurting your case by annoyingly keeping >>> barking up the wrong tree. >> Worse, it is hurting FreeBSD because it burns committer cycles that >> better be spent on doing something sensible instead of arguing >> about a license change that will never happen. >> > > If one never tries to change something then it will never get changed > and dismissing something as impossible from the get go is the hight of > close mindiness (which everyone is accusing me of when the fact is I > was not the one that started using dishonest debating methods) One might try to change something if it's broken. The license is not.