From owner-cvs-all Wed Mar 14 15:14:11 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAEE37B71A; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:13:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9EA6A918; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:43:14 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:43:14 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Nate Williams Cc: Jordan Hubbard , phk@critter.freebsd.dk, rwatson@FreeBSD.org, imp@harmony.village.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c]) Message-ID: <20010315094314.B79313@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010313123603Y.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <10215.984516433@critter> <20010313134342A.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <15023.42546.30738.1117@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15023.42546.30738.1117@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 10:11:14AM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 14 March 2001 at 10:11:14 -0700, Nate Williams wrote: >>> I have no small amount of faith in what our volounteers can do, but >>> having studied my history, I know that most if not all instances of >>> a mass-effort has been directed by one or a very few persons who have >>> set a goal, waved a flag and issued the battlecry... >> >> I actually agree, I just see no reason why those few flag-waving >> individuals need to come exclusively from core (or as a side-effect of >> some sort of core mandate) at all. During our almost 9 years of >> history, I've seen more of those folks come from out of "nowhere" than >> I have seen them come from the "center" of the FreeBSD project. > > True, but if 'core' gave it's blessing to those folks instead of sitting > back and not getting involved until long *after* the flag-waving > individual has been so beaten down that they leave in disgust, we may > get more done. > > Core *is* the perceived leadership group in FreeBSD, and you're it's > de-facto leader. Being un-involved in the process implies apathy at > *your* level, which doesn't do anything to motivate the troops... It's definitely not apathy. There's a very real concern that using a bigger stick would scare people off. Maybe we should come up with a list of functions that core could conceivably perform, and get a vote on whether it should perform them. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message