From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 6 10:43: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA3437B401 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C5A43E75 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6IghsP072301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.1.10]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6IggCu016656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA6Iggl8047132; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA6Igb0J047131; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:42:37 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: John Baldwin , "Thyer, Matthew" , "Wilkinson, Alex" , gallatin@cs.duke.edu, fclift@verio.net, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP, floppy installs desupported for 5.0 (fwd) Message-ID: <20021106184236.GD46686@cicely8.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <108E7D907871D6118B5000306E0189F85759A9@ednex504.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20021106173822.A6295@phantom.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021106173822.A6295@phantom.cris.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 05:38:22PM +0200, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 09:48:32AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 05-Nov-2002 Thyer, Matthew wrote: > > > On 06-Nov-2002 Baldwin, John wrote: > > >> This is what we do already. Even i386 now uses 3 floppies to install. The problem is > > >> that a really, really stripped down 5.0 kernel still doesn't fit onto kern.flp with the > > >> loader. > > > > > > Last I checked, the GENERIC kernel still had many network drivers. > > > > > > Wouldn't it be possible to put all of those modules on another floppy ? > > > > > > Dont worry about implementing interactive module loading for now.... we could just load > > > them all from the additional floppy under control of the loader. > > > > *sigh* THIS IS WHAT WE DO ALREADY. PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT WE DO NOW. > > > > (getting tired of saying the same thing over and over and over) > > Sorry, for intruding to your discussion guys, but IIRC out loader has > functionality to load one module (kernel.ko for example :) from few > flopies. At least it worked well for i386 and quite may work -alpha too. > > Did you tried to split kernel into two chunks and load it from two > flopies instead of striping kernel size over years ? :-) I'm personaly quite happy with the descision - with removing floppy support LCA support can get back into 5.0 GENERIC. This is an old discussion reintroduced everytime the kernel does not fit anymore - now there is nothing left to remove. This clearly shows that noone had enough interest to do the coding. I believe most alpha machines out there just have a cd drive to install. If you provide a working patch to what you are proposing there is no reason not to implement it. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message