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Date:      Wed, 2 Dec 2015 11:54:04 +0300
From:      Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>
To:        marino@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, svn-ports-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r402813 - head/misc/astrolog
Message-ID:  <565EB1AC.4000508@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <565EAD1E.8080805@marino.st>
References:  <201512020629.tB26TbDb060296@repo.freebsd.org> <565E9DFA.6050502@marino.st> <565EAB52.6010301@freebsd.org> <565EAD1E.8080805@marino.st>

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On 02.12.2015 11:34, John Marino wrote:
> On 12/2/2015 9:26 AM, Andrey Chernov wrote:
>> On 02.12.2015 10:30, John Marino wrote:
>>> On 12/2/2015 7:29 AM, Andrey A. Chernov wrote:
>>>> Author: ache
>>>> Date: Wed Dec  2 06:29:36 2015
>>>> New Revision: 402813
>>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/ports/402813
>>>>
>>>> Log:
>>>>   Unbreak port, update to the latest version of Swiss Ephemeris
>>>>   (It does not require any patching, who mark the port BROKEN
>>>>   can easily do it by yourself)
>>>
>>> This is an unfair comment.
>>> The *distfile* changed.  That implies a poudriere run.
>>> THe person marking BROKEN often does it in a batch of a several ports
>>> that have starting failing in a bulk run.  They aren't looking at *any*
>>> of them and rely on the maintainer or a user that cares to figure out
>>> what happened.
>>>
>>> In this case, it's as much work as you can ask without having to
>>> generate patches, so I don't agree with the second half of the comment
>>> AT ALL.
>>>
>>
>> Well, this procedure makes unmaintained ports (like this one) doomed to
>> die even on slightest change (distfile moving to other site etc).
>> According to commit log I am a user that cares to figure out (and I
>> don't want to be maintainer), but the person who marks is BROKEN is not
>> bothered to investigate.
> 
> And?
> There are two roles here:
> 1) Marking the port broken
> 2) Unbreaking the port.
> 
> You are implying the person that does role #1 is obligated to do role
> #2, even if he/she is in the process of marking 40 ports broken.
> 
> In the best case, even if role #1 is only breaking 1 port, why do you
> think they are obligated to anything other than the trivial fix.
> IMO ports@freeBSD.org means "unmaintained", not "collectively maintained
> though obligation".  I know others believe in the latter, but I have
> plently of agreement with the former.
> 
> The two roles are not connected and role #1 has no obligation to role #2.
> 
> John
> 

3) Contact the person who does most commits to this port.

I don't say anything about obligation, only about possibility based on
good intention. Nobody _must_ do it but can.

IMHO ports@freebsd.org means "collectively maintained" (without any
obligation, but with good intentions). There is no reason to put e-mail
address in this field otherwise, just the word "unmaintained" which
clearly indicates no contacts.

BTW, maintained ports for me is worse thing. I can quickly fix any
unmaintained port, but for maintained one I need to wait 2 weeks timeout
and by my personal stats only ~20% maintainers reply. Either their
emails are dead or they just ignore requests. We even don't have any
automation to collect and remove dead maintainer addresses in regular basis.

-- 
http://ache.vniz.net/



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